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There certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of
a global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are,
however, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the
former) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force.
I would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing
"Islamicization" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same
approach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side's
power are certainly a threat.
To Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance
of those *outside* its own "group". If I am told that "I am not one of
you" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat.
If I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic
world and *actively did not* accept my "minority" status, I *would also
certainly* see Islam's domination as having been acheived, and maintained,
through the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities
within their ranks.
I am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian
nationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way.
For the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous
for Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT.
[I refer to the "most" you also refer to]
Because they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that
this area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/
identity/etc.
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Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the
head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to
me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound
nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and
bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve.
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talk.politics.guns
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Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true.
My question is this:
What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle?
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rec.sport.hockey
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I have also heard about HCI claiming thant anyone they get an address
from is a member. If this is the case their membership rolls are
grossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name
and address to add to their already false rolls. Perhaps
if you could get a copy of their existing membership, then pretend to
be an existing member, do that several thousand times, you could
hurt HCI. But names are power. Remeber the NRA uses the fact
that it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles.
Perhaps politicians don't realize the lying tactics of HCI, wait a
minute, HCI learned it from politicians....
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talk.politics.guns
|
Thanks to all who replied to my initial question. I've been away in
New Jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses
when I got back.
To the person asking about nicotine patches, there are four on the
market:
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sci.med
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_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective. Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us. We love to
give advice.
Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.
Couldn't help you here.
You're reading it.
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rec.motorcycles
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About two months ago I purchased the Adaptec ASW-410 driver for use with a
CD-ROM drive. At the time this seemed the thing to do as the documentation I
had with my Adaptec SCSI controller said that this is the driver to be used with
CD-ROM drives. Since then I have learn that this driver is out of date in a
major way and that Adaptec have an upgrade deal for going to the next driver
(I think it's called EZI-SCSI or something). I wasn't too fussed about this
until I upgraded by CD-ROM drive from a Sony CDU-541 to a Sony CDU-641. I now
find that the audio-mode will not work. I assume it is not being handled
correctly by the ASW-410 driver.
So, should I chase Adaptec for an upgrade? If so does anyone know their
FAX number?
Any assistance appreciated.
Regards
BTW: everything else works fine, certainly seems that Sony have caught up with
the rest with the 641.
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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(hudson)
(me)
/(hudson)
/So. Why is someone elses will such a big deal if morality is all relative.
I don't believe I ever said that morality was all relative.
What I said was that I can make my mind up on my own, thank you, and that
you don't have the right to tell others what to think.
I think that you will find that in most moral systems, there is
a respect for human life and the dignity of the person. It is all the
stuff besides these points that forms the core of the disagreement between
primitive moral absolutists like yourself and the rest of us.
/(hudson)
/Maybe (the insane lover of pain might reason) if other people experienced
/enough pain, they might learn to enjoy it, too.
Fine. There is still the clinical definition of crazy. And this also
involves a violation of free will, because the insane lover of your
little example would be inflicting pain on a non-willing subject.
Try again.
(hudson)
(me)
/(hudson)
/You have to have some sort of premise about choice or self-awareness.
No, you do not. I demonstrated to you the example of the football
team which doesn't require premises about freedom of choice or
sentience/self-awareness.
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talk.religion.misc
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...
It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other.
One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself
against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification)
made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him.
I don't know they murdered him; I also don't know
that the Branch Davidians set a fire and suicidede.
It is SICK of BATF or FBI spokepeople to make such
comments in advance of forensic pathology.
Stephen: thank you. God speed.
Yah.
BINGO. Am I the only one to notice:
a) No peaceful attempt to serve a warrant.
b) Six months to develop a scene and six days to end it?
c) .... ah God:
25 children
at least 64 adults
plus 6 at the beginning
and more BATF agents
all dead.
Has anyone asked themselves these questions:
1) Have you seen the ENTIRE video sequences taken during the
opening rounds? I seem to recall missing several key parts:
a) The first five minutes of day one; only the shooting
part comes out.
b) What happened to the Feds video units? You mean they do
not carry helmet cams? Wonder why not?
2) How is it you can have camera crews with live transmission
video present and NOT have an uninterrupted record?
a) You realize the units carry ittle bitty 8mm backups?
That hold 90 minutes per unit? And there are
twounits on the professional handhelds (so no
tape turnover gaps)?
b) Until all views are seen, it is premature to point
fingers in either direction.
As you well point out, Stephen.
More on this below.
Yes. But it is so hard toremain human under the full
pressure of hazard, game playing, and life.
More to the point: when someone dies (almost like it was intended
that way), both sides will kill to maintain their innocence --
a contradiction in terms.
True. Usually I pick the unpopular side and point out
from the evidence seen what might have alternatively happened.
This requires someone interested in God's Will. Please note
that the outstanding _overt_ problem in this country today
is one where the Government:
wants Caesar's coin to pay off the debt.
Yes: The AMerican People. Not the Federal Government.
ANd if it is not spent towards that end, _no_one_ deserves
the coin.
Yah. Fewpeople hear the contradiction:
Money
made
in the image
of God
I wish you were wrong. Many pundits are saying 3 years.
The onyl good thing to come out of my divorce (and my
exposure to the Damned (pardon me) American Divorce Attorney
is:
I have no money left to lose to taxes or inflation.
25 children dead. If anyone thinks blaming Koresh -- or the BATF
helps this any at all, is sick. and wrong.
The reason you can tell that the BATF may not be entirely
straight on this is that the leaders at press conferences
havew made ANY comments about even the POSSIBILITY that
Koresh or his followers caused this.
The BATF agentss are more concerned with their repuations
and morals ("not my fault, Koresh did it!") than they
are with:
25 dead children.
Same goes for Koresh & his followers - who are all (mostly) dead.
More on power and favoritism. (My personal opinion).
Look to history: whenever privilege has replaced whatever
token of objective law and justice a society has had,
Hitlerrs have followed.
You do your name sake proud, Stephen.
Its hard, but please keep on keeping on:
each voice in the wilderness now will
save a generation unborn from horror
The day I _need_ a gun or abomb to protect myself in this
society is the day that society is already beyond redemption
and that aint' redundant, if you have any Christian
belief aytall.
... and the day that I cannot peacefully enjoin others in the
act that Thoreau called Civil Disobedience to rectify the
wrongs that my society practises, without undue harm or
punishment befalling me, is the day that society has ceased to
be a human society, and become a society of animals.
We are _very_ cclose to that.
Six years fighting an unjust COurt issue: still struggling to be
patient.
For those who like contrary questions:
NB: I was not there. I am not a Branch Davidian nor a law
official hater. I do hate liars or the six letter variety of same.
The official side has its advocates already; lets balance the
equation and asj a few questions on the other side, for the sake
of an old saw the BATF abd FBI seem to want to bypass:
innocent until proven guilty.
not
innocent until presumed guilty.
1) Where are the video tapes from the tanks? ALL of them.
Don't tell me they do not exist. They are standard
equipment.
2) So you think Koresh fired the place, because of the explosion?
a) Tear gas comes with an aerosol to spread it. This
aerosol is DELIBERATELY made to be as non-flammable
as possible. It is as non-flammable as possible.
.... gotcha!
... when in isolation from other substances.
WHy was a pipe deliveryu system used rather than remote
launchers? WHy did the FBI not announce "this window,
blown in plus tear gas, five minutes; then the wall come
down", and maintain a left to right sequence?
b) Most aerosols also have a secondary compound, that when
mixed in, becomes a VERY flammable (and difficult to trace)
suspension, with a VERY special property: exposure to
brief eruptions of high heat (muzzle blasts) or long
exposure to low heat (matches, a stove) will NOT tend
to ignite.
What other chemicals come up in the forensics?
Who else will be allowed to test the site?
c) After a few minutes to hours (ifdesired, the combnation
rate can be controlled as desired), the mixture can be made
to become veryignitable onb exposure to a temperature
above a certain point (a tracer round) for a certain
heat quantity (a small explosive charge) or for a length
of time (start a wall fire and wait).
Check your military records; look at the tapes.
Why were tanks (large capacity delivey systems),
tear gas (why not somnorifics?), and now (why
the hurry. was there still a comm channel open
to the outside?).
Do you see any trace of fire coming BACK to the
compound in the videos? ALL the videos? Which ones
are missing?
Do I sound paranoid? Maybe. Am I? Probably not.
You trust the FBI and BATF to render judgement?
IN advance of a Court? God help us.
(For we are surely not helping ourselves).
You trut the Federal Gevernment to give us a clean slate?
You are 4.3 trillion (admitted!) down and counting.
Look again.
Did it happen that way? I do not know. I was not there.
AND IT SHOULD WAIT FOR A COURT TO DECIDE.
But will that happen? 89 people will NOT have the chance
to tell their side as the BATF leader was, on camera.
No one wins. Except: more force next time.
Listen to your hearts, people.
Thanx again Stephen.
roy andrew crabtree
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For those of you who might be familiar with Insight Distribution
Network, Inc. and their Multimedia Kits:
I'm seriously considering buying the Insight Talon TA-2000 MM Kit, which
is bundled with the CD-ROM drive with 265-280ms access time, 300Kb dtr,
multispin, multi-session Photo CD capability, etc., and with the PAS-16
sound card, etc.... (if you are familiar with Insight, you know the kit
I mean). I believe the drive is either a Texel (265ms) or an NEC
(280ms), but it is not clear to me which one is actually a part of the
bundle (at least two of their sales people couldn't give me a straight
answer as to which one; ah, yes, one of the drawbacks of OEM!).
Other questions:
- Excuse my ignorance, but is "Texel" a reputable maker in the CD-ROM
market? Or do you think NEC is the better drive?
- Bottom line: Is this kit worth the money? (Currently, $449 for the
TA-1000, and $699 for the TA-2000)
Alternatively, I was thinking that the TA-2000 might be overkill for my
uses (however, I *do* want full multimedia capabilities, Photo CD stuff,
educational programs for my kids, etc.), and considered the lower-end
TA-1000 kit and using the difference (around $250.00) to get something
else useful, like a tape back-up drive unit.
Basically, I would just like to hear from those who have actually USED
these kits, and whatever pros/cons you might advise, preferably
directly to the email address below.
Thanks,
Koji
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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xgetftp-1.2 needs an archie client program.
Does anybody know, where I can get it?
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comp.windows.x
|
We're about ready to take a bold step into the 90s around here by accelerating
our rather large collection of stock MacPlus computers. Yes indeed, difficult
to comprehend why anyone would want to accelerate a MacPlus, but that's another
story. Suffuce it to say, we can get accelerators easier than new machines.
Hey, I don't make the rules...
Anyway, on to the purpose of this post: I'm looking for info on MacPlus
acelerators. So far, I've found some lit on the Novy Accelerator and the
MicrMac MultiSpeed Accelartor. Both look acceptable, but I would like to hear
from anyone who has tried these. Also, if someone would recommend another
accelerator for the MacPlus, I'd like to hear about it.
Thanks for any time and effort you expend on this!
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
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Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business
or professional body in a position to establish a standard and
provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission
systems.
RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of
a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.
Large companies in the voice/data comm business are out, because they
all have contracts with the gov which would be used to pressure them.
If we, as professionals in crypto organizations, EFF, etc. were to
put our collective minds and interests toward establishing a
crypto standard for transmission, and getting our companies to
implement it, we might avoid government control.
Otherwise, I think it will happen to us by default. Gov isn't probably
strong enough or foolish enough to prevent strong crypt. They
are strong enough, and we may be foolish enough, to push through
the Clipper Chip.
Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one,
would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.
If not this, we should provide an algorithm which can be implemented
in either SW or HW and publish it, then push to make it the defacto
standard in the way that PGP and RIPEM are becoming such.
We are opposing, charging the bunker. We should be nimble and clever.
The gov is strong, not clever.
Lew
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sci.crypt
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}>For several years I've periodically asked Charley Wingate to explain this
}>mythical alternative to rationality which he propounds so enthusiastically
}>when he pops up every few months. His reluctance to explain indicates to me
}>that it's not so hot.
}
}I've said enough times that there is no "alternative" that should think you
}might have caught on by now. And there is no "alternative", but the point
}is, "rationality" isn't an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical
}and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot
}solve them.
If there is truly no alternative, then you have no basis whatsoever
for your claim. The usual line here, which you call "a prejudgment of
atheism", and dispute, is that reason is all we have. Here you admit
that you have no alternative, no possible basis for the claim that
there is anything other than reason or that reason is inapplicable in
religious knowledge, except possibly that reason conflicts with
"religious knowledge".
This sounds very much like "I can't provide a rational defense for my
belief, but prefer to discard rationality rather than accept that it
may be false". I hope it makes you happy, but your repeated and
unfounded assertions to this effect don't advance your cause.
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"Diet Evangelist". Good term. Fits Atkins to a "T".
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[email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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sci.med
|
Afraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter
NETLAND has some details.
A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention
about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just
managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.
the article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I
didn't clip it.
does this jog anyone's memory?
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sci.space
|
PATRICK
1st rd: Pens over Isles in 4.
Devils over Caps in 6.
2nd: Pens over Devils in 7.
ADAMS
1st rd: B's over Sabres in 5.
Nords over Habs in 5.
2nd: B's over Nords in 6.
NORRIS
1st: Hawks over Stars/Blues in 5.
Wings over Leafs in 7.
2nd: Hawks over Wings in 5.
SMYTHE
1st: Jets over Canucks in 7. (call it a hunch)
Flames over Kings in 5.
2nd: Jets over Flames in 6.
WALES
Pens over B's in 7.
CAMPBELL
Hawks over Jets in 5.
STANLEY
Pens over Hawks in 5.
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rec.sport.hockey
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You may have to define your serial ports under windows (I think it's the
Control Panel, PORTS options..)
Mattias
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
I feel like Winston Churchill in 1941 :( ...... but,
the privacy Clipper will, TO THE EXTENT KEY ESCROW IS LEGITIMATE, stop
most of the abuse of wiretaps by local cops, company cops, angry husbands/
wives, etc... It is going to be hard for the keystone cops, the
Proctor&Gamble cops, etc. to bypass even a product as flawed as the ClipJob.
Now I admit, I am hard pressed to find anything else good to say about it
except that, if it actually takes off, someone will certainly come up with
a REAL crypto chip (pin compatable!) that we can buy... Unless, of course,
Big Brother makes it illegal to have real crypto 'cause good honest law
abiding citizens will be HAPPY to let the government listen to their
every word.... "Me? Did I say THAT?"
"I am not a crook." - President Richard M. Nixon
^^^^^^^^^
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sci.crypt
|
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Hi all..
Does anyone know of a UNIX utility allowing encrypted telnet sessions using
public-key? I'd like something so that nobody can snoop my password or
session text while I'm logging in remotely over the network.
Thanks
g.
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SENT AFTER 22/04/93. [email protected]
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Version: 2.2
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sci.crypt
|
As the subject says. It has 70k and my brother-in-law wants $250. Please don't
reply to me as I am posting this for him. Here's his numbers :
5pm-10pm 712 676 3669
daytime 712 269 1261
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rec.autos
|
Getting an image from a computer monitor to a videotape
is harder than it looks. The standard VGA and EGA outputs are
very different than the NTSC format used by televisions. While
there is equipment that will do the conversion, it is hard to
get your hands on and costs quite a bit.
If you have access to an Amiga computer, that has an
NTSC output, you can transfer certain types of graphic files by
modem and tape them from the NTSC output. Unfortunately, this
would be frame-by-frame and would lead to unbelievably scratchy
animation unless you had a good Amiga animation program.
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comp.graphics
|
Actually, it's HAPP, and some of their equipment can be found in the
Parts Express catalog (1-800-338-0531). They show switches for $2,
joysticks for $13 and trackballs for $80. They also have pinball parts.
Good luck.
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sci.electronics
|
I'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably
a 101 layout.) I'm looking to spend about $20.
--
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misc.forsale
|
My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream
cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits
(that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire
2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits). Runtime is
independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself.
I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an
arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5).
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sci.crypt
|
I don't know for sure if Winchester made any commemeratives. If I
recall correctly, the rifle itself was a .44-40 Model 92 with an
oversized loop lever. I don't think Winchester makes this rifle
any more. Rossi make a Model 92 look-alike in .38 Special and
.357 Magnum.
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talk.politics.guns
|
The 68070 is a variation of the 68010 that was done a few years ago by
the European partners of Motorola. It has some integrated I/O controllers
and half a MMU, but otherwise it's a 68010. Think of it the same as
the 8086 and 80186 were.
Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz
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comp.graphics
|
Hey what does the A/Rose extension do anyway ?
Michael
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
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|
Anyone have figures or pointers to references about
how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?
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rec.autos
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talk.religion.misc
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|
Does anyone know of software that will allow
you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files
containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the
only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.
| 1
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comp.graphics
|
From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected]:
Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . .
look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence
for the font you want!
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
:
: >
: >> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter
: >> >
: >> >Just a thought of mine here:
: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1
: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V.
: >> >On-hook = LED on
: >> >Off-hook = LED off.
: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know.
: >>
: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the
: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook.
: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current.
: >
: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an
: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think
: >there's something wrong with the cable.
: >
:
: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when
: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the
: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on
: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector.
If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just
make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but
it's something like 100mA or more?)
Greggo.
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sci.electronics
|
Hi, netters!
I've just built X11R5 pl 21 under Solaris 2.1. I've used the multi-screen
patch, as well as the R5.SunOS... patch and everything builds great, except
"Cannot set default font path '[stuff deleted]'" and "Cannot set default font
'fixed'". If I supply the -fp option, it doesn't complain about the font path
but still complains about the font. I have symlinks from /usr/lib/ to the
place where my distribution lives.
Could somebody help me?
-joel
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comp.windows.x
|
Greetings,
Probably a tired old horse, but... maybe with a slightly different
twist. I wanted to know if there are any good English-language texts
for learning ancient Hebrew, and how these compare with German
educational texts qualitywise, if anybody has an idea. I can't figure
out if I should buy one here for later study or wait until I get back to
the U.S.
Something I find interesting about studying theology in Germany is the
fact that the students get their ancient language-learning out of the
way early [I'm not a theology student, but I spend a lot of time with
such folks] in their careers. They take the first two years or so to just
do Greek and Latin and Hebrew [possibly Aramaic, too--who knows].
What's it like at divinity schools or seminaries in the States? Is
there a lot of language instruction done? I really don't have a basis
for comparison.
Regards, Phil
--
Philip Sells Is anything too hard for the LORD?
[email protected] --Gen. 18:14
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soc.religion.christian
|
)> Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my
)> bike today.
)
)Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next?
^^^^^^
If you're going to flame, learn to spell.
)Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community.
Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a
stereotypical remark. How unsophisticated of you. I'm so sorry you had to
come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously,
lower level.
Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and
those who drive volvos)
Remember ,send your flames to [email protected]
--
I need what a formal education can not provide.
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rec.motorcycles
|
No. I do not thing we are doing them a favor. I have simply stated that
they are not treated as a second class citizens. That was my point.
I fail to see how my words show discrimination. And what do you mean that
they do not get nothing? Is, for example, helth insurance, food, and tuition
nothing?
I'm sorry, but I cannot see any logical order in the above argument.
What part exactly is this one? The people cannot even sell their property
if they want to leave Turkey. The patriarch could not get a permision to
renovate some buildings for decades; it needed a special agreement between
the two goverments for this. Talk about a part of the society? Why has the
size of the Greek community reduced to 1,500 old people and priests then?
Yeah, you bet.
You are far off from the reality.
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talk.politics.mideast
|
I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive
pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are
interested, make me an offer. Please respond to:
[email protected]
Thanks,
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misc.forsale
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Hi Everyone--
It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida
and we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour
plotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil
system with a pond superimposed
/----------------- on it. We've given SURFER a
POND / | trial run but it interpolates
/ | contours out into the pond and/or
----------/ | creates artifacts at the borders.
a response, I'll post a summary. Thanks -- (and now back to lurking).
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GOT HIM! Cramer is now claiming that pedophilia is a sexual orientation
rather than a chronicly homosexual condition. This changes the whole
argument in as much that is pedophilia is a sexual orientation all
of its own peds cannot be called homosexual. Peds are peds who
may have a preference as to the sex of the child they molest (though
most do not have a preference) but that is a subset of their basic
ped nature.
Cramer has as much as admitted that peds and gay men are different
orientations. All we need now is to get him to admit that
the apparent similarities he keeps on about are just optical illusions.
xavier
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talk.politics.misc
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There is another way to view this. The True Celebration is Easter,
the Resurrection of Our Lord. This has been true from the foundation
of the world. Pagan practices are then either:
1. foreshadowings of the True Celebration of the Resurrection,
in which dim light was shone forth so that people would
recognize the full truth when it was manifested, OR
2. satanic counterfeits intended to deceive us so that we would not
recognize the truth when it was manifested.
I don't believe the second argument, because I believe in the power
of the Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Incarnation, and our hope.
Earlier or parallel ideas in other religions clearly are dim images of
the truth of the Resurrection. As Paul states, we see through a glass
darkly. So do others. It serves no purpose arguing about who has
the darker or lighter glass. The foreshadowings are not perfect.
So what? Our understnding of God is today imperfect, for we are not
yet perfected. Theosis is not a gift such that WHAM, we're perfect.
Larry Overacker ([email protected])
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Is there anyone out there running a Chicago National
League Ballclub list? If so, please send me information
on it to...
[email protected]
Thanks!
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rec.sport.baseball
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-*-----
These effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new
treatments. Researchers try to limit this kind of effect by
performing studies that are "blind" in various ways. Some of these
are:
o The subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a
placebo or the test treatment, i.e., whether they are in the
control group or the test group.
o Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects
receive a placebo or the test treatment.
o Those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects
receive a placebo or the test treatment.
Obviously, at the point at which the data is analyzed, one has to
differentiate the test group from the control group. But the analysis
is quasi-public: the researcher describes it and presents the data on
which it is based so that others can verify it.
It is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are
animals, such as mice, there were many cases of skewed results because
those who performed the study did not "blind" themselves. It is not
considered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already
are, though it is important that in all respects except the one tested,
the control and test groups are treated alike.
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sci.med
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rec.autos
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You need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem
for awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who
ever said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet.
I issue the same challenge to you.
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Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me.
I have an error message that goes:
What does it mean?
I am running MS windows 3.1.
Thanks in advance
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
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I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-)
To be accurate, it is "Big Bang Ben" MacDonald.
I hope not. To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to
Mulroney _really_ ruins my day. PS: Matthew Wall: a marvellous ending
to the section on the Expos.
or [email protected]; please identify any messages with the
subject line BBDDD
Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I
concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. I have not yet
gone through the archives that Jonathan sent to me; when I do, I will
send out an "official" introduction to the Deep Drive Derby.
However, I wonder if we need to rename the project, now that the
principal investigator and research archive have changed. Send your
suggestions for a rename of the study to me, at the address given
above.
And, just think: it's opening day. Soon, the balls will be flying
out (no, get your minds out of the gutter) of the ball parks, and
helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the
atmosphere. (and you thought that meteorite showers were made of
rocks!)
Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad
Arnsberg's record start to last year?
The season is young, the balls newly rubbed in mud, the hot dogs
starting to boil for the rest of the year. Play ball (and take cover).
And may all your sliders hang.
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From: [email protected] (Marc Anderson)
>Also.. how about a box that you plug your phone into, which would allow
>encrypted voice communications with someone who has a similar box?
>(digitizing input speech, transmitting, and decrypting on the other end). I
>don't know how a public-key system could work in this regard, but it might
[...]
heh heh... I posted this just before reading all the Clinton Chip messages..
I guess they beat me to it.. Anyway, I think it would be a great idea to
develop such a product, perhaps in the underground, as it would otherwise
probably become illegal pretty quickly here...
It's really very feasible and shouldn't be too expensive - all that's needed
is a box with a phone jack on one side, a DSP in the middle to do codec
functions of speech->compressed bytestream, and an RS232 on the other side.
You'd plug your phone into it, plug the RS232 into your computer, and have
a good old fashioned normal modem on your other RS232 port. The CPU in the
middle would do the encryption with a version of pgp modified to work on
a byte stream.
With v32bis or better modems to carry the bytestream, it should work.
Quality would only be marginally lower than a normal telephone.
At the very highest price, you could use one of those voice-mail compatible
modems to do the digitisation - that puts an upper bound of about $500 on
the cost of such a box. In practice, you really ought to be able to get
the price well below $100 - I could do it now in software on my cheap&nasty
home RISC box (Acorn Archimedes) with the digitising microphone I bought
for 25 pounds, if I knew how to write good speech compression software
(which I don't).
The reason it won't work of course is that hardly anyone will have one -
the only consumer equipment to have encryption will use the wiretap chip.
Economics, I'm afraid.
However... we can get about 2Kcps throughput on the internet even with
the bottleneck of a v32bis modem. When we get ISDN for all (ha ha ha)
and the new NREN, it might then be trivial to run compressed speech
over a tcp/ip connection on the Internet. Perhaps we should start
thinking now of a standard to keep voice on the internet compatible
for everyone, and side-step the clipper stuff and use internet for
all our phone calls in future :-) [1/2 joking]
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sci.crypt
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For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at
the following sitex:
ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir
wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo
directory
The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and
drivers.zip.
Josh
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comp.windows.x
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+At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk
+(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake.
+
+Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ?
+
+Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ?
I, for one, would be an avid reader of a sci.space.ussr.what.really.
happened.
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sci.space
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The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert
my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom:
Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our
own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought,
tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use
screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously*
define for us.
Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses,
allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily,
causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments.
Hah! "trust us"
See??! See? This is the first step.
It is clear we must band together, write your congressman!
Use Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash.
Protect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you
desire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the
day. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ
Screw Thread Associates.
Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected] | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or
Screw Threads | see the screw thread servers.
must be freed! |
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sci.crypt
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When I left, it was 4-3, Blues with 2:00 to go! As I predicted in
"@#$%! I was right in the first place!!!" Blues in 6! YES!!!
Of course it's only one game -- that could be the 'Hawks stab in the face to
wake them up -- that's what playoffs are about, on any given day... :-)
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How about "firearm related."
Texas is unusual in this regard. It would be nice to reduce them
both, though.
As Texas doesn't appear to have an murder rate that much higher than
the national average, I would expect it is a result of a much higher
suicide rate.
Be nice if you didn't have to suffer at all.
Here's where we run into a problem. I am perfectly willing to
have government regulation on something which is likely to cause others
harm. What we're discussing, though, is the extreme regulation of a large
group in order to target a small group, and I don't think that's
appropriate.
Does this, then, justify anything? At some point you have to draw
a line (at least to my way of thinking) where the government must have
something a little more substantial than a set of percentages with which
to punish an individual.
Where do *you* draw the line? Or is there one?
Virginia. It passed.
Does it?
Cute analogy.
The U.S. doesn't treat drunk driving like a serious crime. However,
we also don't confiscate cars of people who drink. We also don't confiscate
*all* cars because some people drink and drive. It's the core of the legal
system that in order to punish an individual (and I'd call property
confiscation a punishment) you must have evidence against that individual.
That is, it isn't enough to show that the majority of people convicted of
murder are white in order to convict a particular white guy of murder.
Huh?
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talk.politics.guns
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May I suggest the book: "Ethics" by Dr. Norm Geisler, of Dallas Theological
Seminary. In it, he goes over all the arguments pro and con and in-between,
and comes up with a very reasonable answer. If I have time, and there is
enough interest, I may post his position.
Jon Noring
--
Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.
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soc.religion.christian
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un, you better add at least another plus to the Pederson
for Neely trade, the Bruins also received a number 1 round
draft pick, didn't play great this year but Wesley's still a
decent defenseman.... And the Bruins got Pederson back eventually
anyway.....
Pat Ellis
P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......
HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....
HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......
PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......
NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rec.sport.hockey
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The VW "Thing" Kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in Mexico and
possibly South America. Good luck importing one-- They probably don't meet
US safety and pollution requirements. There are mechanics and junkyards
which specialize in VW; they might be helpful for finding a "Thing" unless
the WWII re-enacters have grabbed them all.
The WWII Kubelwagen was the German equivalent of the Jeep, but was not 4-
wheel drive. One is on display at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, Kentucky,
also the rare "Schwimwagen" (sp?) amphibious version, in full-scale dioramas.
Highly recommended!
--
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rec.autos
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Complete Communicator, latest vers.
New in box
Works in DOS or Windows
One card you get fax, voicemail and modem. Auto switch, one line handles
all fax, voicemail and modem communications
$500 new
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misc.forsale
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I do not have this type of problem, but at one point an Apple rep
told me that Duo's "System Enabler" file version 1.0.1 fixes some
kind of sleep-related problem. You may want to investigate this...
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
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Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.
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rec.motorcycles
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I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise.
Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved
may enter paradise.
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talk.religion.misc
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I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially.
Even Macs.
David
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sci.crypt
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Ok boys & girls, hang on; here we go!
Christ's Eternal Gospel Robinson & Robinson
The Dead Sea Scrolls & the NT WS LaSor
James the Just in Habakkuk Pesher RH Eisenman
Maccabees ... Quamran RH Eisenman
Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered Eisenman & Wise
Dead Sea Scrolls Deception Baigent & Leigh
Jesus & Riddle of Dead Sea Scrolls B Thiering
Jesus Scroll D Joyce
Happy Reading & welcome aboard
A poor Wayfaring Stranger [some say, a Strange One] in a strange land,
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| not your's either; and |
| only mine, when authorized! |
| |
| Try: [email protected] |
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uhhhh there are only three l's.
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rec.sport.baseball
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I don't want to sell this car, but I need money for college.
1972 Chevelle Super Sport
Rebuilt 402, four speed, 12 Bolt positrac
Numbers match
110,000 original miles
no rust
Looks and runs excellent
$5995 or best offer.
Call Dennis at (503)343-3759
or email [email protected]
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rec.autos
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It was no criticism of Islam for a change, it was a criticism of the
arguments used. Namely, whenever people you identify as Muslims are
the victims of the attacks of others, they are used an argument for
the bad situation of Muslims. But whenever deeds by Muslim that victimize
others are named, they do not count as an argument because what these
people did was not done as a true Muslims. No mention is made how Muslims
are the cause of a bad situation of another party.
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Lets hear it for Dan Goldin...now if he can only convince the rest of
our federal government that the space program is a worth while
investment!
I hope that I will live to see the day we walk on Mars, but
we need to address the technical hurdles first! If there's sufficient
interest, maybe we should consider starting a sci.space group
devoted to the technical analysis of long-duration human spaceflight.
Most of you regulars know that I'm interested in starting this analysis
as soon as possible.
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Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of
Moody Bible Institute:
There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on
exactly what the criticism of "arrogance" is aimed at.
The arrogance being attacked is that we "think we are the only ones who know
what the absolutes are". In short, many evangelicals claim that they are
infallible on the matter of religious texts.
In particular, the problem is one of epistemology. As a shorthand, you can
think of epistemology as "how do you know?" That question, it turns out, is
a very troubling one.
The problem with `absolute certainty' is that, at the bottom, at least some of
the thinking goes on inside your own head. Unless you can be certain that
everything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to
discover a source of truth is in question.
And that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of
authority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty.
Let's take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional
Inerrantist named Zeke. (The following arguments applies to the idea of
Papal Infallibility, too.)
Zeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and
several other topics. He has concluded, based on all these studies (and
possibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute
Truth.
He may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct.
His conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made
mistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes. His
conclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made
mistakes. His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made
mistakes. (Noticing a common thread yet? 8-)
Everything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that
happened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking. No matter what
he does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own
infallibility. As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own
reasoning, that belief cannot be considered "absolutely certain".
Zeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief
is only as good as the quality of the search he made for it. Unless he can
say that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt.
Any belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on
your own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop. Only an infallible
thinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs.
This is easy to demonstrate. Let's go back to our shorthand method of doing
epistemology: "how do you know?" Imagine a hypothetical discussion:
A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth.
B: How do you know?
A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church
teachings and came to this conclusion.
B: How do you know you studied history correctly?
A: Well, I double-checked everything.
B: How do you know you double-checked correctly?
A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed.
B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn't mean it is
true. How do you know THEY studied it correctly?
A: ...
And, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say "I
can't prove that there are no mistakes" -- and as long as you may have made a
mistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain.
There is no way out of the loop.
This is where the "arrogance of Christians" arises: many people believe
that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the
doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are
infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.
Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led
you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.
*
People who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to
find _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon. He is attacking
the idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well),
but the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is
knowably Inerrant.
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Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 360.
"At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward
Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and
tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly,
through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in-
arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."
p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair,
large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble
where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet
had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between
the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun
dress.
The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He
lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the
pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed
just below his neck, into the spine.
There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was
empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking
colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."
Serdar Argic
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talk.politics.mideast
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As one who was born in Quebec and worked in Montreal, I feel I must
defend the reputation of McGill University. It is a fine, old,
creditable institution of higher learning.
Thus, I can only assume that some under graduate student left his/her
terminal on-line and the janitor has been getting access to it.
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Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ?
Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages.
But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are
camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the
'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad,
civilians die, right ? I am not so sure.
As somebody wrote, Saddam Hussein had no problems using civilians in disgusting
manner. And he also claimed 'civilians murdered'. Let me ask you, isn't there
at least a slight chance that you (not only, and the question is very general,
no insult) are doing a similar type of propaganda in respect to civilians in
southern Lebanon ?
Now, a lot people who post here consider 'Israeli soil' kind of Mediteranean sea.
How do you define Israeli soil ? From what you say, if you do not clearly
recognize the state of Israel, you condone killing israelis anywhere.
I do not know what was the pupose of the action you describe. If it was
to kill civilians (I doubt), I certainly DO NOT CONDONE IT. If civilians were
killed, i do not condone it.
Mr. Hernlem, it was YOU, not ME, who was showing a huge satisfaction for 3
israelis (human beings by most standards, Don't know about your standards) killed.
If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a
question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing
justifies murder. I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make
similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ?
Now tell me, did you also condone Saddam's scuds on israeli 'soldiers' in, let's
say, Tel Aviv ? From what I understand, a lot of palestineans cheered. What does
it show? It does not qualify for freedom fighting to me ? But again, I may be
wrong, and the jewish controlled media distorted the information, and I am just
an ignorant victim of the media, like most of us.
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It has actually come up (or it will in a week or two) in NZ. I'll post the
outcome when the trial finishes (which could take months BTW). Overall it
looks like you can't be forced to reveal a password, if anyone can provide
a convincing legal argument to the contrary (ie an actual court case) I'd
be most interested...
Peter.
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sci.crypt
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We no longer use quarter inch tape for backups, and have a case of
unopened DC6150s for sale. I'll sell the lot, or in boxes of 5 tapes
each.
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misc.forsale
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The Clipper Chip will have no effect. Current generation PCs, portable
and desktop, all have analog voice -> digital voice and vice versa
capabilities. So, I only need a modem output to the telephone,
and I can interpose any encryption screen on my voice traffic I want.
Not even a big deal, but it will pass muster if the have a way
of checking whether I am using their Clipper Chip encryption without
a full decoding.
I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually
dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously
refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting
clients.
Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning
as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics
(truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics
(truth is understanding the external world).
Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8)
Lew
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sci.crypt
|
My brother is in the market for a high-performance video card that supports
VESA local bus with 1-2MB RAM. Does anyone have suggestions/ideas on:
- Diamond Stealth Pro Local Bus
- Orchid Farenheit 1280
- ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
- Any other high-performance VLB card
Please post or email. Thank you!
- Matt
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 4, 1993
PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT
WITH RUSSIAN PRESS
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
2:46 P.M. PDT
Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you
could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll
give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.)
Q The first is that this is the meeting of the
Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government
money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the
government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going
to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian
businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What
are the priorities, because there are several association of
Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to
participate in setting up priorities for investment?
This is the first. And second, to you. We know
that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans
are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls
say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times
published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war;
42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent
if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to
sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not
very enthusiastic? Thank you.
Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going
to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the
answers. Just the answers. Okay.
THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is,
it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example,
the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will
obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be
good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will
be used to support the privatization of existing public
enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the
Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have
some influence over the distribution of.
With regard to your second question, let me say that
I would think that there would be people in both countries who
would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government
giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to
that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history
there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That
is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole
history of America, any kind of aid program has always been
unpopular.
What I have tried to tell the American people is, is
this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that
this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion --
trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments
because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in
Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them
working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies
going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it
possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the
economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and
investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce
nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on
our side and on the Russian side.
So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an
investment for the United States. This is very much in the
interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the
second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next
week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for
the taxpayers and workers of my country.
Russia is a very great nation that needs some
partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share
her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view
this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not
what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful
investment.
Like all investments, there is some risk. But
there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than
the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier
of the Cold War.
Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very
much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory
of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American
President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind
of a very measured breakthrough.
I have two questions. One, in your introductory
remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief
that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you
tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to
what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification
of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how
confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager
to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions
inherited from the Cold War?
PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of
Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with
regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent
states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States
develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing
that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of
the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude
our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that
would provide not only an important economic opportunity for
Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out
on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed
off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and
we agreed to continue to press that.
I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to
reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the
Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the
United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine,
but that, in order to do what we need to do together to
strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States
be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join
the NPT regime is critical.
What was the second question?
THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and
COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the
Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will,
as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other
restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on
relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies
of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of
them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the
leadership of the Congress.
With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be
an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there
are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to
emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there
is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed
to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be
much less.
With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing
more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my
own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement
out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to
begin it in the fairly near future.
Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in
Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely
different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not
political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of
Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the
difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the
difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of
Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the
last part of your speech?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to
compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say
what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a
boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the
music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been
thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music
for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists
and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know
as much as I could about your history.
And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then
the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last
presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone
in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr.
Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I
was following events there very closely and hoping for the day
when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a
personal feeling about Russia.
I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like
music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a
musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York
Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony
to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly
than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically
so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it
occurred.
These are things that have always had a big impact
on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever
had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two
countries become closer partners. (Applause.)
THE PRESS: Thank you.
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Nope, you're confusing separate programs. Atlas was the first-generation
US ICBM; Titan I was the second-generation one; Titan II, which all the
Titan launchers are based on, was the third-generation heavy ICBM. There
was essentially nothing in common between these three programs.
(Yes, *three* programs. Despite the similarity of names, Titan I and
Titan II were completely different missiles. They didn't even use the
same fuels, never mind the same launch facilities.)
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I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with
my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB.
When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is
fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen
gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen
there is about a 3/4" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes
everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can
manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just
shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't
been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and
both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried
to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of
days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks
before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story...
So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what
to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm
not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance.
Jude M. Greer
[email protected]
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Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to
fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again.
--
[email protected]
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Hi!
I have several computer related books for sale. They are all new,
unused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include
Programming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems
(UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems.
If you are interested, pls. contact me at:
[email protected]
Thanks.
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I can't believe that the NY Rangers would force its
players to go to Binghamtom to play in the AHL playoffs instead
of letting them represent their countries in the World Championships.
Anderrson and Zubov are waiting for the NHL to make a decision to this,
while Kovalev has given in and gone down to the minors.
The Rangers are a disgrace.
ps. it has been reported that Neil Smith was very much against
the hiring of Mike Keenan. How long will Smith be in NY for?
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Hi folks,
]
Does anybody know for a good 32-bit C++/C compiler for OS/2 that supports
OS/2 API and Microsoft windows (maybe Windows NT)?
thanx
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stuff deleted ...
Your logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we
die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that
while you are alive you enjoy yourself.
I also question your overall motives for posting this article. Why
would you waste your presious fews seconds on this earth posting your
opinon to a group that will generally reject it.
If you die, never having acepting Christ as your savior, I hope you
have a fantastic life that it is all you evver dreamed because it is
al of heaven you will ever know.
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<
< > I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in
< >the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more?
<
< Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least
<have the redeeming virtue of taking care of its own? <g>
Of course they take care of their own ... very well ... until the person
has 'outlived his/her/undefined usefulness'... then 'elimination' becomes
a consideration... :-)
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: >EVER HEAR OF
: >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what
: >is...
: >
: RB>
: RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes
: RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the
: RB> priest really wears under that chasible.
Does this statement further the atheist cause in some way, surely it's
not intended as wit ...
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If a PC has one, does Windows 3.1 use a math co-processor? I'm not talking
about specific apps, but the OS (if you want to call it that) itself?
Please respond by email.
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Archive-name: x-faq/speedups
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
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HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE OF X -- monthly posting
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Compiled by Art Mulder ([email protected])
More RAM, Faster CPU's, More disk space, Faster Ethernet... These
are the standard responses you hear when you ask how to improve the
performance of your workstation.
Well, more hardware isn't always an option, and I wonder if more
hardware is always even a necessity.
This "FAQ" list is a collection of suggestions and ideas from different
people on the net on how you can the best possible performance from X
Windows on your workstation, WITHOUT PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE.
Performance is a highly subjective issue. The individual user must
balance `speed' versus `features' in order to come to a personal
decision. Therefore this document can be be expected to contain many
subjective opinions in and amongst the objective facts.
This document is specifically concerned with X. There are of course
many other factors that can affect the performance of a workstation.
However, they are outside the scope of this document.
[ People seriously interested in the whole area of system
performance, might want to look at the O'Reilly Nutshell Handbook
"System Performance Tuning" by Mike Loukides. I'm about 25% of the
way through reading it, and it looks like a well-written
comprehensive treatment of system performance. I'm unaware of any
other similar books. --ed.]
-----------------
Table of Contents
-----------------
0. Introduction & Administrivia
1. What about the "Other X FAQ"?
2. Window Managers
3. The X Server
Which Server?
Locking the Server into RAM?
Starting your Server
Fonts
About the Resources File
! Define Your Display Properly
4. Clients
A Better Clock for X
A Better Terminal Emulator for X
Tuning your client
5. Miscellaneous Suggestions
Pretty Pictures
A Quicker Mouse
Programming Thoughts
Say What!?
6. Other Sources of Information
7. Author & Notes
! = changed since last issue.
* = new since last issue.
-----------------------------
Introduction & Administrivia
-----------------------------
This document is posted each month, on or around the 15th, to the
Usenet news groups comp.windows.x, news.answers, and comp.answers.
If you are reading a copy of this FAQ which is more than a few
months old (see the "Last-modified" date above) you should probably
locate the latest edition, since the information may be outdated.
If you do not know how to get those newsgroups and/or your site does
not receive them and/or this article has already expired, you can
retrieve this FAQ from an archive site.
There exist several usenet FAQ archive sites. To find out more about
them and how to access them, please see the "Introduction to the
news.answers newsgroup" posting in news.answers.
The main FAQ archive is at rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. This document
can be found there in /pub/usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups. If
you do not have access to anonymous ftp, you can retrieve it by
sending a mail message to [email protected] with the
command "send usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups" in the message body.
-----------------------------
What about the "Other X FAQ"?
-----------------------------
David B. Lewis (faq%[email protected]) maintains the informative and
well written "comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions" document.
Its focus is on general X information, while this FAQ concentrates
on performance.
The comp.windows.x FAQ does address the issue of speed, but only with
regards to the X server. The gist of that topic seems to be:
"Use X11R5, it is faster than R4".
(Please see the X FAQ for complete details).
---------------
Window Managers
---------------
There are a lot of window managers out there, with lots of different
features and abilities. The choice of which to use is by necessity a
balancing act between performance and useful features. At this
point, most respondents have agreed upon "twm" as the best candidate
for a speedy window manager.
A couple of generic tricks you can try to soup up your window manger,
is turning off unnecessary things like "zooming" and "opaque move".
Also, if you lay out your windows in a tiled manner, you reduce the
amount of cpu power spent in raising and lowering overlapping
windows. Joe English ([email protected])
I've found that a good font for tiling is 7x13 (aka:
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-100-100-100-c-70-iso8859-1 ). It is
the biggest font I know of that I can use on my Sun (1152x900 screen)
and still get two 80 column terminal windows side-by-side on the
display with no overlap. Other font suggestions will be accepted.
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The X Server
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Which Server?
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Make sure that your server is a proper match for your hardware.
If you have a monochrome monitor, use a monochrome X11 server.
On my Monochrome Sun, I haven't noticed much difference between
the Xsun (colour) server and XsunMono, however it was pointed out to
me that XsunMono is about 800k smaller and therefore should contribute
to less paging.
[ thanks to: Jonny Farringdon ([email protected]),
Michael Salmon ([email protected]) ]
How your server was compiled can also make a difference. Jeff Law
([email protected]) advises us that on a Sun system, X should be
compiled with gcc (version 2.*) or with the unbundled Sun compiler.
You can expect to get "*very* large speedups in the server" by not
using the bundled SunOS compiler. I assume that similar results
would occur if you used one of the other high-quality commercial
compilers on the market.
Locking the Server into RAM?
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Has anyone tried hacking the X server so that it is locked into RAM and
does not get paged? eg: via a call to plock(). Does this help
performance at all? I've had one inquiry on this topic, and a few
pointers to the plock() function call, but no hard evidence from someone
who's tried it. I am not in a position to give it a try.
[thanks to: Eric C Claeys ([email protected]),
Danny Backx ([email protected]),
Juan D. Martin ([email protected]) ]
Starting your Server
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Joe English ([email protected]) :
If you start up a lot of clients in your .xsession or whatever, sleep
for a second or two after launching each one. After I changed my
.xclients script to do this, logging in actually took *less* time...
we have a heavily loaded system without much core, though.
This sounds crazy, but I have confirmed that it works!
Warner Losh ([email protected]) provided me with a good explanation of
why this works, which I have summarized here:
When you start up an X server it takes a huge amount of time to
start accepting connections. A lot of initialization is done by
the server when it starts. This process touches a large number of
pages. Any other process running at the same time would fight the
server for use of the CPU, and more importantly, memory. If you
put a sleep in there, you give the Server a chance to get itself
sorted out before the clients start up.
Similarly, there is also a lot of initialization whenever an X
client program starts: toolkits registering widgets, resources
being fetched, programs initializing state and "databases" and so
forth. All this activity is typically memory intensive. Once this
initialization is done ("The process has reached a steady state"),
the memory usage typically settles down to using only a few pages.
By using sleeps to stagger the launching of your clients in your
.Xinitrc , you avoid them fighting each other for your
workstation's limited resources
This is most definitely a "Your Mileage May Vary" situation, as there
are so many variables to be considered: available RAM, local swap
space, load average, number of users on your system, which clients
you are starting, etc.
Currently in my .xinitrc I have a situation like:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 1; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
I've experimented with:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 2; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 3; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 4; exec xterm ) &
I've even tried:
(sleep 2; exec start_X_clients_script ) &
and then in start_X_clients_script I had:
(sleep 1; exec xclock ) &
(sleep 1; exec xbiff ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
(sleep 1; exec xterm ) &
[ The idea with this last one was to make sure that xinit had
completely finished processing my .xinitrc, and had settled down
into a "steady state" before the sleep expired and all my clients
were launched. ]
All of these yielded fairly comparable results, and so I just stuck with
my current setup, for its simplicity. You will probably have to
experiment a bit to find a setup which suits you.
Fonts
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Loading fonts takes time and RAM. If you minimize the number of fonts
your applications use, you'll get speed increases in load-up time.
One simple strategy is to choose a small number of fonts (one small, one
large, one roman, whatever suits you) and configure all your clients -- or
at least all your heavily used clients -- to use only those few fonts.
Client programs should start up quicker if their font is already loaded
into the server. This will also conserve server resources, since fewer
fonts will be loaded by the server.
[ Farrell McKay ([email protected]),
Joe English ([email protected]) ]
eg: My main xterm font is 7x13, so I also have twm set up to use 7x13
in all it's menus and icons etc. Twm's default font is 8x13. Since
I don't normally use 8x13, I've eliminated one font from my server.
Oliver Jones ([email protected]):
Keep fonts local to the workstation, rather than loading them over nfs.
If you will make extensive use of R5 scalable fonts, use a font server.
About the Resources File
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Keep your .Xresources / .Xdefaults file small. Saves RAM and saves
on server startup time. Joe English ([email protected])
One suggestion:
In your .Xdefaults (.Xresources) file, try putting only the minimum
number of resources that you want to have available to all of your
applications. For example: *reverseVideo: true
Then, separate your resources into individual client-specific
resource files. For example: $HOME/lib/app-defaults. In your
.login file set the environment variable XUSERFILESEARCHPATH:
setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH $HOME/lib/app-defaults/%N
[ The "comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions" FAQ contains
an excellent explanation of how these environment variables work.
--ed.]
So, when xterm launches, it loads its resources from
.../app-defaults/XTerm. Xdvi finds them in .../app-defaults/XDvi,
and so on and so forth. Note that not all clients follow the same
XXxxx resource-file naming pattern. You can check in your system
app-defaults directory (often: /usr/X11R5/lib/X11/app-defaults/) to
find the proper name, and then name your personal resource files
with the same name.
This is all documented in the Xt Specification (pg 125 & 666).
[Thanks to: Kevin Samborn ([email protected]),
Michael Urban ([email protected]),
and Mike Long ([email protected]).
Kevin is willing mail his setup files to inquirers.]
This method of organizing your personal resources has the following
benefits:
- Easier to maintain / more usable.
- Fewer resources are stored in the X server in the RESOURCE_MANAGER
property. As a side benefit your server may start fractionally
quicker, since it doesn`t have to load all your resources.
- Applications only process their own resources, never have to sort
through all of your resources to find the ones that affect them.
It also has drawbacks:
- the application that you are interested in has to load an
additional file every time it starts up. This doesn't seem to
make that much of a performance difference, and you might
consider this a huge boon to usability. If you are modifying an
application's resource database, you just need to re-run the
application without having to "xrdb" again.
- xrdb will by default run your .Xdefaults file through cpp. When
your resources are split out into multiple resource files and
then loaded by the individual client programs, they will not.
WATCH OUT FOR THIS!!
I had C style comments in my .Xdefaults file, which cpp stripped
out. When I switched to this method of distributed resource
files I spent several frustrating days trying to figure out why
my clients were not finding their resources. Xt did *NOT*
provide any error message when it encountered the C style
comments in the resource files, it simply, silently, aborted
processing the resource file.
The loss of preprocessing (which can be very handy, e.g. ``#ifdef
COLOR'' ...) is enough to cause some people to dismiss this
method of resource management.
- You may also run into some clients which break the rules. For
example, neither Emacs (18.58.3) nor Xvt (1.0) will find their
resources if they are anywhere other than in .Xdefaults.
- when starting up a client on a machine that does not share files
with the machine where your resources are stored, your client
will not find its resources. Loading all your resources into the
server will guarantee that all of your clients will always find
their resources. Casey Leedom ([email protected])
A possible compromise suggestion that I have (and am planning on trying)
is to put resources for all my heavily used clients (eg: xterm) into my
.Xdefaults file, and to use the "separate resources files" method for
clients that I seldom use.
Define Your Display Properly
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Client programs are often executed on the same machine as the server. In
that situation, rather than setting your DISPLAY environment variable to
"<hostname>:0.0", where <hostname> is the name of your workstation, you
should set your DISPLAY variable to "unix:0.0" or ":0.0". By doing this
you access optimized routines that know that the server is on the same
machine and use a shared memory method of transferring requests.
[thanks to Patrick J Horgan ([email protected])]
See the _DISPLAY NAMES_ section of the X(1) man page for further
explanation of how to properly set your display name.
"I don't think it's stock MIT, but (at least) Data General and HP have
libraries that are smart enough to use local communication even when
the DISPLAY isn't set specially."
Rob Sartin ([email protected])
[Jody Goldberg ([email protected]) sent me an Xlib patch to change
stock R5 to use local communication even if DISPLAY is not properly set.
I don't want to get in the business of distributing or trying to juggle
non-MIT patches and so have elected not to include it here. Hopefully MIT
will apply this minor (~8 lines) patch themselves. In the meantime, if
you want to try it yourself, email Jody. --ed.]
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Clients
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If you only have a few megabytes of Ram then you should think
carefully about the number of programs you are running. Think also
about the _kind_ of programs you are running. For example: Is there
a smaller clock program than xclock?
Unfortunately, I haven't really noticed that programs advertise how large
they are, so the onus is on us to do the research and spread the word.
[ Suggestions on better alternatives to the some of the standard clients
(eg: Xclock, Xterm, Xbiff) are welcome. --ed.]
I've received some contradictory advice from people, on the subject
of X client programs. Some advocate the use of programs that are
strictly Xlib based, since Xt, Xaw and other toolkits are rather
large. Others warn us that other applications which you are using
may have already loaded up one or more of these shared libraries. In
this case, using a non-Xt (for example) client program may actually
_increase_ the amount of RAM consumed.
The upshot of all this seems to be: Don't mix toolkits. That is, try
and use just Athena clients, or just Xview clients (or just Motif
clients, etc). If you use more than one, then you're dragging in
more than one toolkit library.
Know your environment, and think carefully about which client
programs would work best together in that environment.
[Thanks to: Rob Sartin ([email protected]),
Duncan Sinclair ([email protected] | [email protected]) ]
A Better Clock for X
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1) xcuckoo
suggested by: Duncan Sinclair ([email protected])
available: on export.lcs.mit.edu
Xcuckoo displays a clock in the title bar of *another* program.
Saves screen real estate.
2) mclock
suggested by: der Mouse ([email protected])
available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mclock.shar
Non Xt-based. Extensively configurable. it can be made to look
very much like MIT oclock, or mostly like xclock purely by changing
resources.
Of course, the ultimate clock --- one that consumes no resources, and
takes up no screen real estate --- is the one that hangs on your wall.
:-)
A Better Terminal Emulator for X
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From the README file distributed with xterm:
+-----
| Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here
|
| This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution.
| ...
+-----
Ugly maybe, but at my site it's still the most used. I suspect that
xterm is one of the most used clients at many, if not most sites.
Laziness? Isn't there a better terminal emulator available? See below.
If you must use xterm, you can try reducing the number of saveLines
to reduce memory usage. [ Oliver Jones ([email protected]),
Jonny Farringdon ([email protected]) ]
1) Xvt
suggested by: Richard Hesketh ([email protected]) :
available: export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/xvt-1.0.tar.Z
"...if you don't need all the esoteric features of xterm, then get
hold of xvt ... it was written here just to save swap space as
xterm is rather a hog! "
This was written as a partial 'clone' of xterm. You don't have to
rename your resources, as xvt pretends to be XTerm. In it's current
version, you cannot bind keys as you can in xterm. I've heard that
there are versions of xvt with this feature, but I've not found any
yet.
UPDATE (March 1993): I recently had a few email conversations with
Brian Warkentin ([email protected]) regarding xvt. He
questions whether xvt really is at all faster than xterm. For
instance, xvt may initialize slightly faster, but compare scrolling
speed (try this quickie benchmark: /bin/time dd if=/etc/termcap
bs=40) and see which program can scroll faster. Also, while xterm
may be slightly larger in RAM requirements (We don't have any hard
numbers here, does anyone else?) shared libraries and shared text
segments mean that xterm's paging requirements are not that major.
As an experiment, he ripped out all the tek stuff from xterm, but it
made little difference, since if you never use it, it never gets
brought into memory.
So here we stand with some conflicting reports on the validity of
xvt over xterm. In summary? Caveat Emptor, your mileage may vary.
If you can provide some hard data, I'd like to see it.
Specifically: How much RAM each occupies, how much swap each needs,
relative speed of each
2) mterm
suggested by: der Mouse ([email protected])
available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in
/X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax.
"I also have my own terminal emulator. Its major lack is
scrollback, but some people like it anyway."
Tuning your client
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Suggestions on how you can tune your client programs to work faster.
From Scott Barman ([email protected]) comes a suggestion regarding Motif
Text Field Widgets:
I noticed that during data entry into Motif text field widgets, I
was getting a slight lag in response to some keystrokes,
particularly the initial one in the field. Examining the what was
going on with xscope I found it. It seems that when the resource
XmNblinkRate is non-zero and the focus is on a text field widget
(or even just a text widget) the I-beam cursor will blink.
Every time the cursor appears or disappears in those widgets, the
widget code is making a request to the server (CopyArea). The user
can stop this by setting the resource XmNblinkRate to 0. It is not
noticeable on a 40MHz SPARC, but it does make a little difference
on a [slower system].
This specific suggestion can probably be applied in general to lots
of areas. Consider your heavily used clients, are there any minor
embellishments that can be turned off and thereby save on Server
requests?
-------------------------
Miscellaneous Suggestions
-------------------------
Pretty Pictures
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Don't use large bitmaps (GIF's, etc) as root window backgrounds.
- The more complicated your root window bitmap, the slower the server
is at redrawing your screen when you reposition windows (or redraw, etc)
- These take up RAM, and CPU power. I work on a Sun SPARC and I'm
conscious of performance issues, I can't comprehend it when I see
people with a 4mb Sun 3/60 running xphoon as their root window.
I'll let someone else figure out how much RAM would be occupied by
having a full screen root image on a colour workstation.
- If you're anything like me, you need all the screen real estate
that you can get for clients, and so rarely see the root window anyway.
[ Thanks to Qiang Alex Zhao ([email protected])
for reminding me of this one. --ed.]
A Quicker Mouse
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Using xset, you can adjust how fast your pointer moves on the screen
when you move your mouse. I use "xset m 3 10" in my .xinitrc file,
which lets me send my pointer across the screen with just a flick of
the wrist. See the xset man page for further ideas and information.
Hint: sometimes you may want to *slow down* your mouse tracking for
fine work. To cover my options, I have placed a number of different
mouse setting commands into a menu in my window manager.
e.g. (for twm) :
menu "mouse settings" {
"Mouse Settings:" f.title
" Very Fast" ! "xset m 7 10 &"
" Normal (Fast)" ! "xset m 3 10 &"
" System Default (Un-Accelerated)" ! "xset m default &"
" Glacial" ! "xset m 0 10 &"
}
Programming Thoughts
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Joe English ([email protected]) :
To speed up applications that you're developing, there are tons of
things you can do. Some that stick out:
- For Motif programs, don't set XmFontList resources for individual
buttons, labels, lists, et. al.; use the defaultFontList or
labelFontList or whatever resource of the highest-level manager
widget. Again, stick to as few fonts as possible.
- Better yet, don't use Motif at all. It's an absolute pig.
- Don't create and destroy widgets on the fly. Try to reuse them.
(This will avoid many problems with buggy toolkits, too.)
- Use a line width of 0 in GCs. On some servers this makes a HUGE
difference.
- Compress and collapse multiple Expose events. This can make the
difference between a fast application and a completely unusable
one.
Francois Staes ([email protected]) :
Just a small remark: I once heard that using a better malloc
function would greatly increase performance of Xt based
applications since they use malloc heavily. They suggested trying
out the GNUY malloc, but I didn't find the time yet. I did some
tests on small programs just doing malloc and free, and the
differences were indeed very noticeable ( somewhat 5 times faster)
[ Any confirmation on this from anyone? --ed.]
Andre' Beck ([email protected]) :
- Unnecessary NoExpose Events.
Most people use XCopyArea/XCopyPlane as fastest blit routines, but
they forget to reset graphics_exposures in the GC used for the
blits. This will cause a NoExpose Event every blit, that, in most
cases, only puts load onto the connection and forces the client to
run through it's event-loop again and again.
- Thousands of XChangeGC requests.
This "Gfx Context Switching" is also seen in most handcoded X-Apps,
where only one or few GCs are created and then heavily changed
again and again. Xt uses a definitely better mechanism, by caching
and sharing a lot of GCs with all needed parameters. This will
remove the load of subsequent XChangeGC requests from the
connection (by moving it toward the client startup phase).
Say What!?
- - - - - -
Some contributors proposed ideas that seem right off the wall at first:
David B. Lewis (by day: [email protected], by night: david%[email protected]) :
How about this: swap displays with someone else. Run all your programs
on the other machine and display locally; the other user runs off your
machine onto the other display. Goal: reduce context switches in the
same operation between client and server.
I'm not in a situation where I can easily try this, but I have received
the following confirmation...
Michael Salmon ([email protected]):
I regularly run programs on other machines and I notice a big
difference. I try to run on a machine where I will reduce net usage
and usually with nice to reduce the impact of my intrusion. This
helps a lot on my poor little SS1+ with only 16 MB, it was
essential when I only had 8 MB.
Casey Leedom ([email protected]) :
[The X11 Server and the client are] competing for the same CPU as
your server when you run it on the same machine. Not really a
major problem, except that the X11 client and the server are in
absolute synchronicity and are context thrashing.
Timothy H Panton ([email protected]) :
Firstly it relies on the fact that most CPU's are mostly idle, X's
cpu usage is bursty. so the chances of you and your teammate
doing something cpu-intensive at the same time is small. If they
are not then you get twice the cpu+memory available for your
action.
The second factor is that context switches are expensive, using 2
cpu's halves them, you pay a price due to the overhead of going
over the network, but this is offset in most cases by the improved
buffering of a network (typically 20k vs 4k for a pipe), allowing
even fewer context switches.
----------------------------
Other Sources of Information
----------------------------
Volume 8 in O'Reilly's X Window System Series, ``X Window System
Administrator's Guide'' is a book all X administrator's should read.
Adrian Nye ([email protected]):
A lot more tips on performance are in the paper "Improving X
Application Performance" by Chris D. Peterson and Sharon Chang, in
Issue 3 of The X Resource.
An earlier version of this paper appeared in the Xhibition 1992
conference proceedings.
This paper is absolutely essential reading for X programmers.
--------------
Author & Notes
--------------
This list is currently maintained by Art Mulder ([email protected])
Suggestions, corrections, or submission for inclusion in this list
are gladly accepted. Layout suggestions and comments (spelling
mistak's too! :-) are also welcome.
Currently I have listed all contributors of the various comments and
suggestions. If you do not want to be credited, please tell me.
speedup-x-faq is copyright (c) 1993 by Arthur E. Mulder
You may copy this document in whole or in part as long as you don't
try to make money off it, or pretend that you wrote it.
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comp.windows.x
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It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol
while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties
concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie
w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and
other participating neighboring contries).
I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from
politicians.
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talk.politics.mideast
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Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete)
-------------------------------------
or
$220 Laser Disc
$150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
$35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
$50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5
Space Ace ($430 Complete)
--------------------------------------
or
$250 Laser Disc
$150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
$35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
$50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5
Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750)
-----------------------------------------------
These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player. The
nice thing about this player is that you can also watch
normal Laserdisc movies on it as well. I have one which I
will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one
complete system or $500 if you buy both systems.
I currently run this into my entertainment center. I have
it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and
power supply. I run the audio into my stereo system, and the
laserdisc runs directly into the T.V.. I have made a mount for
the joysticks and the buttons. First person who buys both
games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself.
If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal
arcade cabinet this can be done as well. The graphics will
go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet.
Everything works perfectly. The laserdisc player has an
RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia
type applications. The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe
place and have no scratches on them.
If you are interested please email me.
Thanks,
Soren
--------------------------------------------------------------
Soren Burkhart
Purdue University "Yes, well that is just the sort of
A.I. & Robotics blink-headed pig ignorance I have
[email protected] come to expect from you non-creative
garbage."
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misc.forsale
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Greetings netters,
Steve writes ... <about Cobra Locks>
Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took
possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1" diameter. This was a special order.
I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder
after about two blocks.
I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD
padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two
front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a
post in an underground parking garage.
Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on
me bike.
When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home.
By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links
and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of
them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The
guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much
and the inner tubes were free.
Later.
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rec.motorcycles
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For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries)
e-mail me. ([email protected]) with the subject STATS.
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rec.sport.hockey
|
I suspect you mean laparoscopic instead of orthoscopic.
By far the (still) best method to diagnose a hernia is old fashioned
physical examination. If you have an obvious hernia sac coming down
into your scrotum, or a bulge in your groin that is brought about by
increasing intra-abdominal pressure....
Sometimes is not that obvious. The hernia is small and you can only
detect it by putting your finger into the inguinal canal.
Whether you have a recurrent hernia, or this is related to the previous
operation, I can't tell you. The person that examined you is in the best
position to make that determination.
Are there non-invasive ways of diagnosing a hernia? Every now and then
folks write about CT scans and ultrasounds for this. But these are far
too expensive, and unlikely to be better than a trained examining finger.
====================================
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sci.med
|
I've got the official word on the LaserWriter Pro 600 memory
upgrade.
I just got off of the phone with the quite friendly Donna Rossi
at Apple Customer Assistance. She tells me that those who
purchased the LaserWriter Pro 600 in a 4 megabyte (300dpi, no
greyscale) configuration should contact their original dealers
who are supposed provide the 4-meg memory upgrade. For those
who don't know, the extra 4-meg will allow printing at 600dpi
or greyscale (at 300dpi).
If the dealers have questions, they should be directed to their
hardware support numbers and/or Apple Customer Assistance
1-800-776-2333, 408-996-1010 (corporate number).
Regards,
Glenn
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
After tons of mail, could we move this discussion to alt.religion?
=============================================================
--There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan)
--"If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human
being, you'd be a game show host." (taken from the movie "Heathers.")
--Lecture (LEK chur) - process by which the notes of the professor
become the notes of the student without passing through the minds of
either.
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talk.religion.misc
|
First of all, thanks to those of you who responded, both here and via e-mail.
The tips didn't pan out, but it was good hearing from you.
Now, following up to my earlier post:
[...]
: Disk controller: Acculogic sIDE-3 2 hard/2 floppy IDE controller
: Jumpers: All defaulted (shown as *):
: Normal IRQ*/delayed IRQ Primary*/secondary floppy address
: Single*/dual speed floppy Primary*/secondary IDE address
: Precomp = 125ns*/187 ns IOCHRDY not driven*/IDE drive controls IOCHRDY
[...]
: Other cards: (didn't check brand) 2 Serial/1 Parallel adapter
: Logitech Bus Mouse adapter
: Roland MPU-401-compatible MIDI interface
: Configured with default IRQ 2, mem address 0330
I opened up the box and removed all the "other cards" above. No help there.
Then, not having anything better to try, I changed Normal IRQ to Delayed
IRQ on the disk controller (didn't make any difference) and IOCHRDY_not_
driven to IDE_drive_controls_IOCHRDY (also had no effect). So I put
everything back to the way it was and re-installed the cards.
I then unplugged the floppy drive cable from the disk controller. Voila!,
the PC booted from power up, although it seemed to take several seconds
before the first access to the hard disk. Plug the floppy cable back
to the controller and the original (non-boot) behavior returns.
O.K., with this additional information, does anyone in netland have any
words of wisdom for what's going on and how I should deal with it?
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called:
"PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"
Written by:
James Nechvatal
Security Technology Group
National Computer Systems Laboratory
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Gaithersburg, MD 20899
December 1990
The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character
formatting has been lost.
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sci.crypt
|
Is it that serious? My EKG often comes back with a few irregular
beats. Another question: Is a low blood potassium level very bad? My
doctor seems concerned, but she tends to worry too much in general.
___________________________________________________________________________
Alexis Perry "The less I want the more I get
[email protected] Make me chaste, but not just yet.
eliot house box 413 It's a promise or a lie
(617) 493-6300 I'll repent before I die."
"Work? Have you lost your mind?!"
-Ren -Sting
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sci.med
|
>say they have a "history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]"?
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sci.crypt
|
Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can
share common areas with others. Apartment or room for $400 or less.
Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August. No smokers.
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misc.forsale
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