quote:No. No. No.
So I guess some people should give up, use their "IQ" as an excuse and simply never try? Thats definitely not dangerous to society, amirite?
Without touching on the IQ angle again, society in "black America" has created an atmosphere that seems to praise poor choices. . Aversions to dual parent household and educations are dooming many before they have a chance.
Many also seem to find it easy to blame others for their own shortcomings.
Everyone has been given the tools to escape poverty. Some don't take advantage of it.
They why state it?
Are you really saying there is no significant genetic component
How do you explain the massive failure in the Black community if intelligence can be significantly improved by social intervention?
By all means let's just ignore scientific results, espouse what we hoped the science would say, and hope the whole thing disappears.
Well, off the top of my head, maybe people in the "black community" are not applying these "social interventions."
Nutrition assistance, free health care, free or subsidized housing, early education, 13K a kid in public schools, grants for college, retraining programs, rehabilitating programs, detox programs, safe sex programs,
Organizations to find every potential applicant to expand the benefit base and bureaucracy
Yeah, the community is under served and the Blacks don't like social services that must be the problem!
quote:Well that's a hell of a stupid question isn't it. Where phenotypic expression is clear, genotype will follow. Phenotypic expression is clear in this case.
I'll ask you the same questions:
What chromosome does it lie on? How many base pairs is it? How many different alleles are present in the population?
Are there isoforms
quote:Did you read the medical paper? Sometimes an attempt to be cute is silly. You're getting there.
Which metabolic pathway or stage of development does it most impact?
Where phenotypic expression is clear, genotype will follow. Phenotypic expression is clear in this case.
I took "social interventions" to mean a stable household, parents that emphasized the value of education, work ethic, etc. which is why I placed it in quotes.
Regardless, the programs you listed are not pertinent to our discussion
quote:Oh Good Lord dude.
Actually no, thats not right and is definitely a big myth. When's the last time you have taken a genetics class? All the ones I've ever taken when to great lengths to make sure that we understood that genotype and phenotype, although related, have a complex relationship. In other words, phenotype does NOT always point to an underlying genotype.
Oh Good Lord dude.
Please, just wake up and stop.
A big myth?
Phenotype has nothing to do with genotype?
If so, you should sue your school for return of your tuition.
First off, myth was probably not the best word choice.
Misconception would have been better.
quote:As I posted this, and various iterations throughout the thread, no other conclusion could be drawn. None. It's clear you're attempting to deny and/or minimize heritable IQ characteristics.
Quote where I said phenotype has nothing to do with genotype. I'll wait.
quote:Again, if that was your intent, why ignore posts establishing phenotypic variation, and instead register the arguments you did discounting those posts?
I said they have a complicated, often not easily predictable relationship. Is that wrong? Is every bit of phenotypic variation you see in the human population primarily rooted in genetic causes?
does the environment not have alot of say as to whats going to happen to ones phenotype?
quote:No honey, you made (1) mistakes in literacy (2) mistakes in assimilation (3) mistakes in assumption.
I understand you're getting defensive because you made the most basic error when it comes to genetics ("clear" phenotype must point to "clear" genotype)
You still didn't tell me when the last genetics class you've taken was.
As I posted this, and various iterations throughout the thread, no other conclusion could be drawn.
It's clear you're attempting to deny and/or minimize heritable IQ characteristics.
Suppose you buy a bag of seed corn from a hardware store. This is not some sort of fancy cloned corn, but ordinary genetically varied corn of the sort that farmers planted long before there was a science of genetics. Grow one handful of it in a carefully controlled environment in which the seeds get uniform illumination and uniform nutrient solution. The corn plants will vary in height, and because the environment is uniform, the heritability of height will be 100 percent. Now take another handful of corn from the same bag, and grow it in a similarly uniform environment but with a uniformly poor nutrient solution. Again, the plants will vary in height, but all will be stunted. Once more the heritability of height is 100 percent. Despite the 100 percent heritabilities of height within each group, the difference in height between the groups is entirely environmentally caused. So we can have total heritability within groups, substantial variation between groups, but no genetic difference between the groups.
Well see, that qualifies as a point of disagreement.
Was your misconception concerning heritability something you were taught, or is it something you simply misunderstood?
I don't think an ear of corn is anywhere near as complex as the human genome, try again boss man!!!
Take a glance at homogeneous sub Saharan contributions... vs say... western European, and get back with the rest of us idiots .It's fairly cut n dry .I don't need a P.H.D. to recognize the obvious,just common sense.
When I asked why...he said his mother was afraid she would not be able to get his check if it was found out he was playing sports.