The problem with Surge is communication. They basically have no IR, they have a name that is basically unsearchable and a crummy policy of keeping investors informed. So, when all these are taken together, you (and I) have either a dead money or underwater investment. I'll give them until next Spring to either sell this thing to CPG, or start acting like a public company. For a company with smart engineering, they are moronic re promotion or simply keeping investors current.