Cuz no one's replied to my latest arguments (READ THE THREAD I'M NOT GONNA POST THEM AGAIN :P)
I'd like to share a quote of my own,
"Light travels faster than the speed of sound, that's why some people appear bright before you hear them speak."
I've read them. I answered you I think
Hmm, I'm not referring to the Geocentricism and stuff, I'm referring to the actual validity of The Big Bang.
As far as I can see, you haven't provided any evidence that disproves the Big Bang (at least that I haven't responded to)
and so I consider this one closed, unless you want to bring up a new argument against it.
Not really :P
THAT'S A GUD ONE
Gosh, you and Packerbacker always want so much elaboration and things thrown at you like a bag of screaming cats on fire.
The expanding nature of the universe
There's some evidunce for ya ;D
Sorry:P for a tmi moment, I was PMSing that day XD
Oh gosh... girl problems.
*assumes straight face and turns around*
*voice goes to a whisper*
I think PB might have been too :P
Fair maidens do NOT get PMS
breece: um no, i don't PMS:P
i think this thread is over, *hands breece the metal for winning debate*
Before we give Breece a parade or anything, I would just like to pop in and offer my two cents on the geocentric vs. heliocentric topic.
(Random Fact: it will soon be impossible for Canadians to give anybody two cents because the penny has been pulled out of circulation.)
Anyways, I don't have time now, but I will post my reply ASAP.
But first, I have a quote of my own:
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
God bless. <3
haha love the quote half.note:)
Who was the quote aimed at?
Thanks, packerbacker. :D
It's one of my favourite quotes.
Oh, it wasn't aimed at anybody. Don't worry. :)
Everyone was just putting up random quotes and I thought this one applied.
God bless. <3
Another one, then, since procrastinaters are active in our midst (*coughs* no allusion )
"Where the intelligentsia gather, the cretin-minded quail."
any one up? :P
"I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells."
"The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing."
Okay, here is my reply to those verses.
Most of the verses you have given can be explained by the same answer, so I have compiled some general facts to refer to later:
The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, and then translated into English. This means that many of the Hebrew sayings and idioms are still there.
The Bible authors often spoke from their point of view here on earth. God didn't dictate them every word of the Bible to write down. Instead, they were inspired with the truth and what God wanted to tell them and wrote in down in their own way. This is why books of the Bible are often written in different writing styles, or why all the gospels differ in eye-witness accounts.
Considering this, it seems reasonable that come verses speak from an earthly perspective. And who can blame them? We still talk like that today. How often do you say the "sun set" or "went down" rather than "our position on the Earth is turning away from the sun"?
Humans have a natural tendency to speak about things from their personal perspective. In that way, the sun does revolve around the earth. I mean, it's all relative.
No one ever believed the Earth was flat. This is a common misconception.
The idea that Columbus set out on his voyage to prove the Earth was flat first originated in a book by Washington Irving called “A History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus,” which in fact, is not an actual biography but a fictional embellishment of the facts.
Any sane person, especially those living by the ocean or sea, could plainly observe a ship sailing away and disappear over the horizon, and not assume that it fell of the ends of the earth.
They just thought the Earth was a lot smaller than it actually is. That’s why explorers set out west to find a trade route to Asia and India. No one ever believed the earth was flat, not even the Bible writers.
Okay, now to answer your verses:
Refer to point #2
This is the same as anyone saying that the sun “rises” or “sets”. We all know that the sun doesn’t move, when in fact it is the Earth, but we still refer to the sun as if it actually moves across the sky (since, in some ways, it does).These verses are just talking from our perspective on Earth. As well, it as an eye-witness account rather than God saying that the sun revolves around the Earth.
1 Chronicles 16:30
Refer to Point #1
Given the context of this verse, the world just means the “inhabitants of the world”. It’s not saying that the planet itself is immovable, just that everything in this world is created by God and under his control.
This is actually a prophecy. It is King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream (given to Him by God) that he asks Daniel to interpret. The tree represents Nebuchadnezzar and the greatness of his kingdom.
“The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:
It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.” (Daniel 4:20-22)
His dream is later fulfilled when Nebuchadnezzar goes mad for seven years:
“This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.” (Daniel 4:24-26, 28)
Actually, the symbolism of the dream is rather interesting because all the imagery used in Daniel was imagery also used in Leviticus 26. An interesting study, if you have the time.
Anyways, in conclusion, the tree was being used as a representation and could be seen to the ends of the Earth because Nebuchadnezzar was the King of Babylon which was the major power at the time and had dominion over the known world.
It is not a literal tree or literal planet.
Refer to Point #1 and #3
Given the context of this verse, “the ends of the earth” is just an Hebrew saying.
(After all, you can’t “weigh winds” or “decree” rain to fall.)
“God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.” (Job 28:23-28)
Refer to Point #1 and #3
Refer to Point #1 and #2
This is likely a poetic way of saying that God is in control of the weather.
The previous verses speak about how God sends winds and storms, and now the author is describing the smooth, serene sky.
We know that the author is not speaking literally because of context like verse 20:
“Shall it be told him that I speak? if a man speak, surely he shall be swallowed up.”
Refer to Point #1
This one is fairly obvious.
Ever heard of a “falling star”?
This isn’t saying that actual stars will fall to the Earth, it is just saying that there will be a large meteor shower. It’s one of the signs that must be fulfilled before Christ’s coming.
I don’t have time right now, but I will answer your second post of verses at a later date.
Hopefully this all made sense.
God bless. <3
*takes metal back from breece* it ain't over yet... half.note is keeping it alive:P
I was actually referring to the specifics of the actual Big Bang Theory. Not the little converation that de-railed the thread.
*takes medal back from Packer*
However I will give a short response, I'm a little pressed for time:
You bring up a very good point:
Much of the Bible is written from an earthly perspective.
A human perspective.
A flawed perspective.
Second off, you're wrong about people never believing the earth was flat. They did, it's just the specifics of the Columbus story that are not true.
Columbus didn't set out to prove the earth wasn't flat.
That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody in time period of the Bible believed that the Earth was flat, that's why we have ancient depictions of the Earth in the Church as flat, and why we have mythology about how the flat earth is held up.
Second off, I've done a little research and if you absolutely insist I'll post some links but I'm pretty sure that "ends of the earth" is a fairly modern idiom, and was used literally back then.
Forgot about this thread.
I had started typing out a reply, but I don't know what happened to it.
I'm not in the mood to do it again right now, but I'll answer this some other time.