ray245 wrote:Bear in mind that I am not talking about only a native government can recover a nation economy. In certain times, an occupational government can improve the economy as well.
And that affects what I've been telling you... how?
Such as the bombing of police institution for instance. On one hand it is reasonable to argue that the Hamas are simply using it as a training ground to train more bombers and insurgents for example, on the other hand, one can argue that without anyone policing over the nation, laws can't even be observed.
Okay, and when the new government comes in to rebuild it then what happens?
Incidentally, it's pretty charitable to call these structures "police stations," since the police in Gaza essentially consist of Hamas militants and loyalists, and they operate out of houses and Hamas buildings. When Fatah was in charge, it operated a few police stations, but those became strongholds during the Civil War and have been largely abandoned.
Also, the very fact that someone needs to be around to ensure that construction of public infrastructure for instance, that is fundamental to economic growth can't be provided without an stable government.
Roads, electrical grid, power plants, Hospitals can't be build by without a government.
All of those things have been and frequently are constructed by private entities (indeed, even in the United States today--which surely has a stable government--there are private roads, electrical grids, power plants, and hospitals). If you mean to say that they can't be built with no government even to provide things like security then it gets a little trickier, but provided that you're willing to concede that security can ALSO be provided by private entities (which it can be), then you have no case.
If we are talking about the being able to UN do all those, bear in mind that we need a government around to approve off such an effort, maintain the stability of that region, to ensure that construction work is even plausible in the first place.
How the fuck is the current military action hindering the UN's ability to go in after the conflict and restore order? If anything, driving Hamas out of the region would ALLOW for better governance by an organization like the UN, or Fatah, or an Israeli puppet, or whatever other conceivable governance could go in.
If anything, Somalia should be a decent example whereby nothing concrete can be achieved. Can you imagine that Somalia is able to achieve peace without a strong party 'defusing' resistance?
I don't understand your sentences.
Maybe it is just me, but your argument that the economy will recover by itself with limited government control seems a little bit like Libertarianism to me. The conflict of interest is bound to happen in any society, the problem is, we have an actual government able to contain that conflict to some extend. That conflict is limited to court case, campaigning instead of resorting to violence.
Interesting. If you twist, distort, and ignore the crux of my argument, it looks to you like Libertarianism (in a way that you can't explain to any reasonable observer); therefore my argument fails. What's next? I am rubber; you are glue?
Without government providing stability in the first place, where is the economic investment coming from?
From private parties, you nitwit. That's why the savings rate of a society is the crucial determinant of economic development in Solow growth.
You can't expect the UN to build up a nation economy without someone running that nation. Also, a nation can't really on the UN aid forever.
Take tourism for example, who is willingly to build hotels when you have people running around freely with guns? Yup, try building a Hotel in Somalia and see what happens next. Not only does the two side have to stop fighting each other, and peace agreement made, economic discussion has to take place as well.
That's the whole fucking point of my argument! The problem with Gaza's economic development is that investors do not have reasonable expectations of realizing returns on their investments because the conflict with Israel (and amongst internal Palestinian factions) is so prohibitively destructive.