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Originally posted by munkey66
Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by UdonNiedtuno
I already said ingesting "RoundUp" is bad. Mkay.
Many genetically modified foods are not considered "RoundUp Ready", but are only modified to be disease and insect resistant. Those foods would, indeed, require smaller doses of, and fewer, "poisons" to produce. That's good! Mkay.
"GMO Foods Cause Tumours and Organ Damage" is, if not an outright lie, an overt exaggeration. Mkay.
Miltedit on 19-9-2012 by BenReclused because: Typo
If a plant is modified to be pest resistant, wouldnt that mean that the plant has an insecticide in it?
many plants have natural insecticides in them, the ones humans generally don't eat because of the poison factor.
Throw a gene gun full of another plant with a naturally occurring insecticide into a crop food like corn and what you now have is a plant that didnt have the insecticide gene now producing it.
Can you see any problem with this?
Raw bitter almonds are chock full of cyanide. A 150-pound adult could die from eating 10 to 70, we know this and that is why we cook them.
green potatoes produce Solanine as a natural insecticide, place that into corn and then feed the raw product to livestock, can you see a flow on effect?
Now this next bit I add for a bit of an explanation how the food chain works and how as the apex preditor we in turn ingest everything along the way.
Ciguatera is a foodborne illness caused by eating certain reef fish whose flesh is contaminated with toxins originally produced by dinoflagellates such as Gambierdiscus toxicus which lives in tropical and subtropical waters. These dinoflagellates adhere to coral, algae and seaweed, where they are eaten by herbivorous fish who in turn are eaten by larger carnivorous fish. In this way the toxins move up the food chain and bioaccumulate. Gambierdiscus toxicus is the primary dinoflagellate responsible for the production of a number of similar toxins that cause ciguatera. These toxins include ciguatoxin, maitotoxin, scaritoxin and palytoxin. Predator species near the top of the food chain in tropical and subtropical waters, such as barracudas, snapper, moray eels, parrotfishes, groupers, triggerfishes and amberjacks, are most likely to cause ciguatera poisoning, although many other species cause occasional outbreaks of toxicity.
you can go your entire life eating these reef fish and have no adverse effects, but it only takes that 1 fish and The symptoms can last from weeks to years, and in extreme cases as long as 20 years, often leading to long-term disability. Most people do recover slowly over time. Often patients recover, but symptoms then reappear. Such relapses can be triggered by consumption of nuts, seeds, alcohol, fish or fish-containing products, chicken or eggs, or by exposure to fumes such as those of bleach and other chemicals. Exercise is also a possible trigger.
Hallmark symptoms of ciguatera in humans include gastrointestinal and neurological effects.Gastrointestinal symptoms include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, usually followed by neurological symptoms such as headaches, muscle aches, paresthesia, numbness, ataxia, vertigo, and hallucinations. Severe cases of ciguatera can also result in cold allodynia, which is a burning sensation on contact with cold (commonly incorrectly referred to as reversal of hot/cold temperature sensation). Doctors are often at a loss to explain these symptoms and ciguatera poisoning is frequently misdiagnosed as multiple sclerosis.
Still want to ingest poisons?
Can you see any problem with this?
You can't and that is a very valid point. It is wrong that farmers can be sued for crosspollination of their non GM plants and the corporate plants. After all, as it was correctly said earlier, it is almost impossible to prevent that from happening. The company want to protect its intellectual property, I can get that, but that does not sit well with me that I could buy something but still not "own" it. I don't have much of a choice with computer programs and end user agreements, but I don't think this the greatest business practice. The answer is, of course, not to buy the products. If I buy a corn seed and grow corn from it, I should be able to test it all I want as I would consider it my ear of corn. Likewise I should be able to take apart my Iphone all I want. If is steal their secrets and start making profit off their patent, then they might have a case, but not just for investigating the stuff.
there are certain ailments that are popping up in the livestock that is fed gm. still births, deaths, a who list of problems. they will pop up in the human population more than likelly also.
BASF Plant Science
Bimbo Bakeries USA
Bumble Bee Foods, LLC
Bunge North America, Inc.
C. H. Guenther & Son, Inc.
Campbell Soup Company
Clement Pappas & Company, Inc.
Coca-Cola North America
Council for Biotechnology Information
Dole Packaged Foods Company
Dow AgroSciences LLC
E.I. DuPont de Nemours & Co.
General Mills, Inc.
Grocery Manufacturers Association
H.J. Heinz Company
Hero North America
Hirzel Canning Company
Hormel Foods Corporation
House-Autry Mills, Inc.
Idahoan Foods, LLC
Inventure Foods, Inc.
Knouse Foods Cooperative, Inc.
Kraft Foods Global, Inc.
Land O’Lakes, Inc.
McCain Foods USA, Inc.
McCormick & Company, Inc.
Nestle USA, Inc.
Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
Pinnacle Foods Group LLC
Reily Foods Company
Rich Products Corporation
Richelieu Foods, Inc.
Sara Lee Corporation
Smithfield Foods, Inc.
Sunny Delight Beverages Company
The J.M. Smucker Company
Originally posted by NavyDoc..........
Actually, the truth is, that selective breeding is genetic modification. The hysteria over GMF is not based in any fundimental science. Let's take the OP, all of the plants in the study were treated with chemicals. Think that the chemicals were the actual cause of the deformations? Agent Orange anybody? Please explain to the class how the genetic makeup of a food when the proteins are denatured and destroyed by the digestive process, can alter the genetic makeup of the consumer and change the DNA/RNA replication process and thus cause a tumor. Basic cell biology here.