This is a specific event not a generalization.
You have to prove that this "specific event" actually happened, not just take what's written in the Bible as the Gospel truth. More to the point, for someone who claims to have been abducted by a UFO, it was a specific event, not a generalization. Not only that, but it was a specific event for them - something they claim happened to them personally. I'll throw in another one as well, people who claim to be the reincarnation of Jesus. For them, it's a specific event, not a generalization. The fact remains that it's up to them to prove that those things are actually true - and it's up to you to prove that your own "specific event" happened, even though it was two thousand years ago and occurred to someone else.
You provide examples of things people have convinced themselves of by collecting "evidence." UFO abductions for example. These people already believe "they are out there" so to laps into some crazy hallucination based on something you believe to be true is not a long shot. I really think the flat earth guys must be akin to the spaghetti monster guys. It's gotta be a joke. Even so these conspiracy types have never been to space. How can they KNOW they believe a lie?
Granted. But the same goes for you. You've convinced yourself of something based on the supposed eyewitness testimony in the Bible - which you can't even verify was written by the same people who supposedly witnessed it, let alone whether it actually happened. So how do you get around this very same problem? Your own faith can't prove it happened; the faith of every Christian put together can't do that..
Jesus was not allowed to hang till death they didn't want him up there during the pass over. He was stabbed in his lung to induce a quicker death. Some would even say Jesus was never Killed. Rather He decided when he was done. He gave up His own ghost. No man could take it from Him.
I thought the Bible said he was stabbed in the side? Regardless, the whole story of the crucifixion is apocryphal. The nails that were supposedly used on him (instead of the ropes used to tie ordinary criminals to their own crosses), being stabbed, all of it - it's based on stuff written in the Bible and has no corroborating evidence, let alone verification. We don't even know for sure who actually wrote those stories down.
The apostles, and jews still, believed the Messiah would come in power and over throw the Roman empire to establish His kingdom on earth. They never did believe, and still don't, that Jesus would die on a cross. This is what Jews believe and what the apostles were looking for in the Messiah. When jesus died they thought they had the wrong guy.
I thought the apostles were swiftly converted once Jesus "rose from the dead"? Which is another apocryphal story. We don't even know if there was a tomb, let alone if anyone was ever buried there.
That being true, and it is. They would KNOW for a fact they made it up. First hand account. Why would they die for a KNOWN lie? Why would a jew run around telling people the Messiah came when it was totally contrary to what the jews held about the Messiah?
I think the point that other people are trying to make to you is that it doesn't matter whether someone knows that something is a lie or not. If it is a lie, then them believing it true doesn't make it any less of a lie.
stabbed in the lung, beaten to near death, hung on a cross. and survived with no medical attention. You still have the ascension to account for. Also witnessed by the apostles.
Assuming any of it ever happened in the first place. Assuming the apostles were real people, and that they witnessed a real event.
Can someone provide evidence for this 2 day comma thing? And botched crucifictions too. It sounds like speculation to me.
First off, the whole point of crucifixion was to deliver a slow, agonizing death. That's why this business of Jesus being stabbed to hasten his death is so suspect. If anything, the usual method to hasten death was breaking the legs. Stabbing was usually reserved for ensuring that someone was already dead and not faking it
Second, considering that people have survived firing squads, hangings, electrocution, and even being impaled, why would you assume that crucifixion was somehow a foolproof way to kill someone? Some people can just take a lot of punishment without dying from it, to the point where they look dead. If you then assume they are dead and, say, bury them, they could wake up later on.
I don't have anything regarding delaying three days to declare someone dead, so I'll leave that for someone else. However, even modern doctors have occasionally declared someone dead who isn't, so it's not hard to believe that ancient doctors, with far less medical knowledge, could do the same thing.