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another thread might be their expectations about our ignorance. having taught at brooklyn college of the city university of new york you might saw our student body is hyper-diverse. i do a look of work in and out of class on such issues.... in almost all my visually-enhanced classes i ask students to do short biographies. although the im/migrant cohorts have changed over the decades the degree of variety remained high. now we get large numbers of students from central america, and south and east asia. when they declare their 'ethnic' background to those who they (usually rightfully) assume are unaware of the diversity in their places of origin they use broader labels than what they might say to the better informed. for example, my south asian muslim students, after discovering my limited, but more than usual for them 'insight,' will identify themselves not only regionally and/or tribally but also according to the extremely varied islamic practices and traditions in which they were brought up. i have been amazed by the number of muslim students whose families have fled nominally muslim countries like pakistan because of religious persecution. similar i guess to pre and post colonial immigration to the americas of christians form nominally christian countries. best, jerry Jerome Krase, Ph.D. Emeritus and Murray Koppelman Professor Brooklyn College Seeing Cities Change: http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9781409428787 Website: http://brooklynsoc.tumblr.com/ --30--