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Join Women of Web 2.0 as we interview Peggy Petrilli, the turn around principal. Welcome Kathy Shields as she holds down the seat for Jen. Jen is on sabbatical for the month. This is a fascinating conversation about assessment driving instruction, small group focused instruction. As always the chat room was rocking.
20:48:29 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : trying stream
20:49:15 sendkathy : relaunching the stream
20:49:22 JohnS : You're streaming, good job
20:49:34 sendkathy : almost streaming
20:49:38 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : okay here wego again
20:49:40 Cathyjo : talk
20:49:44 Cathyjo : urah
20:49:51 Cathyjo : solo Cheryl
20:50:05 Cathyjo : hurrah
20:50:31 sendkathy : we're here!
20:50:37 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : sound check all?
20:51:16 JohnS : cheryl sounds good.
20:51:27 JohnS : Sharon sounds okay.
20:51:28 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : can you hear sharon
20:51:33 Cathyjo : yes
20:51:37 alicebarr : YOu sound great!
20:51:45 CheriT : Sharon - I don't want it either, so get well quick!!
20:52:20 CheriT : very quiet
20:52:26 CheriT : right
20:52:53 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : just lost all on skype, calling them again
20:53:05 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : setting up again
20:53:06 Cathyjo : Intenet is dodgy this evenin'
20:53:09 Vicki Davis : Hello everyone -- just say hello and where you are from.
20:53:21 Vicki Davis : Going to twitter it.
20:53:24 sendkathy : I think Skype is being unreliable
20:53:30 alicebarr : Internet is terrible tonight
20:53:37 Cathyjo : Cathyjo is sitting here in Myrtle beach, SC
20:53:40 CheriT : Hi Alice!!
20:53:49 alicebarr : Hi Cheri!
20:53:57 CheriT : Cheri in Normal, IL ... where the weather is anything but normal
20:53:58 Cathyjo : Skype, try flickr too
20:54:05 Cathyjo : dodgy!!
20:54:21 CheriT : the wonky internet
20:54:25 alicebarr : Crazy here too! 1.5 hours to get to work today. Normal 45 mins
20:54:40 alicebarr : Cheri What's your weather?
20:54:45 Barbara : Hi cathy jo
20:54:47 Cathyjo : its the primary
20:54:54 Cathyjo : Hi Barbra
20:55:02 Cathyjo : Barbara
20:55:03 alicebarr : Snitter in and out for me
20:55:08 sharonp : Hi folks!
20:55:11 alicebarr : Using twhirl now
20:55:31 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : hello, I hope we are in for the evening!!!
20:55:36 CheriT : Alice - is twhirl for pc or mac?
20:56:20 Cathyjo : Vicki my pastor was in Camilla recently
20:56:25 alicebarr : Um I think both but not sure. Uses Adobe Air technology?
20:56:26 Vicki Davis : Really -- what for?
20:56:31 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo -- what for?
20:56:33 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Small world right cathyjo
20:56:38 Vicki Davis : Oh, Kathy Shields has such a great voice!
20:56:38 Cathyjo : a revival somewhere
20:56:49 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Hello to all in the chat room!
20:56:57 Cathyjo : name = Pastor Mike Lowery
20:57:21 Cathyjo : he talked about the pecans and the chicken nugget farms
20:57:24 CheriT : radio personality
20:57:35 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : chicken nugget farms, how quaint
20:57:37 khokanson : gah....you sucked me in :)
20:57:49 Cathyjo : hi@khokanson
20:57:53 sendkathy : How's everyone tonight?
20:57:59 khokanson : they Cathyjo
20:58:06 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : we will all help Kristin
20:58:09 barbara : I can't get the audio stream
20:58:10 sendkathy : I would like to know how many different windows are open on your desktop?
20:58:12 Cathyjo : waving @ khokanson
20:58:13 alicebarr : Hey @Khokanson
20:58:23 sendkathy : twitter? gmail? what else?
20:58:36 khokanson : as usual
20:58:41 Cathyjo : @sendkathy 5, and one has six tabs
20:58:42 khokanson : actually :)
20:58:42 sharonp : Kathy, I have 7 windows open on two monitors
20:58:52 sendkathy : !!!! I know!
20:58:58 sendkathy : It's like juggling!
20:59:00 sharonp : 17 tabs in FF
20:59:05 khokanson : I do have some folks coming in to my session to share best practices in connecting classrooms :)
20:59:08 sendkathy : two monitors!
20:59:10 sharonp : two keyboards
20:59:13 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : sharon, no way
20:59:17 sendkathy : anyone have three monitors?
20:59:18 sharonp : it is my workplace
20:59:24 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : 17 tabs would crash my
20:59:24 Cathyjo : @sharon super multitasker
20:59:34 JohnS : I had to write out the show intros at first, so I remembered what to say
21:00:06 sharonp : if I don't respond after a few minutes,.... send a search party.... i am lost in space
21:01:03 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : http://allanahk.edublogs.org
21:01:16 Cathyjo : W00T allanah is a favorite!
21:01:57 Cathyjo : ive met her thru twitter and VT, as well as visiting my blog vice versa
21:02:38 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : www.historyforkids.org
21:03:13 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Allanah is just wonderful! and a great person to introduce to the blogosphere and webcast world
21:03:43 sendkathy : www.idodogtricks.com and www.wearemulticolored.com
21:04:25 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : hello melinda
21:04:48 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : hello Melinda!
21:04:53 mmiller : Hello Cheryl sorry I couldn't make last week but thanks for mentioning my wiki
21:05:03 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : you bet, did you get some good hits?
21:05:06 sroseman : speaking of history ....kids would love this http://www.adgame-wonderland.de/type/bayeux.php
21:05:21 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Hi Sue, and thanks for the link!! what age kids?
21:05:29 mmiller : yes I did but everyone can keep adding at maespinternetcafe.wikispaces.com
21:05:33 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Hi ARthus, how is Super Tuesday going for you?
21:05:39 Vicki Davis : http://hurricanemaine.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-science-math-and-technolog... -- A new blogger that I'm watching.
21:05:48 arthus : not bad, wishing Obama was having a better showing
21:05:48 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : thanks Melinda, when is your workshop
21:06:01 arthus : I hope you all will join me on ustream after WOW2
21:06:05 khokanson : PLESASE DO
21:06:11 mmiller : Monday March 9th at Lake of the Ozarks MO
21:06:20 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : So nice of you to all be with us
21:06:37 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Okay, Melinda we will mention it again at somepoint.
21:06:39 Vicki Davis : http://www.nmc.org/pdf/2008-Horizon-Report.pdf
21:06:43 sharonp : http://connect.educause.edu/blog/gbayne/eliinconversationgeorgesi/46065?...
21:06:56 khokanson : Louise Maine
21:06:57 sendkathy : @sroseman adgame looks cool
21:07:09 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : anyone from NZ or AU tonight?
21:07:17 sendkathy : I read the Horizon report and it mentions lots of great examples
21:07:20 arthus : soo many people, tough to remember them all at educon :)
21:07:20 mmiller : Oh you don't have to do that I appreciate all you have done for me
21:07:37 khokanson : actually a PA Classrooms for the Future teacher
21:07:38 judi epcke : 1
21:07:38 judi epcke : Read it Vicki. Good Call for mentioning it
21:08:41 mmiller : I will present 3 workshops live on blogging and other internet tools for school administrators
21:08:51 khokanson : OK here is what I am looking for...folks to add their CLASSROOM examples of authentic learning to their own blogs :)
21:09:10 khokanson : blogging is great, but they need to see KIDS work in ACTION
21:09:27 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : maesprinternetcafe.wikispaces.com please go and add your blog URL
21:09:37 khokanson : so much for me keeping my mouth shut (and fingers quiet) and doing workd today :P
21:09:53 mmiller : if your principal or a principal you know is blogging please add their blog too
21:09:58 sendkathy : @khokanson, can you give a blog example that does this?
21:10:11 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : oh, good point Melinda, didn't realize that
21:10:17 khokanson : @cheryloakes taht didn't work
21:10:29 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Help Melinda, can you put your link in????
21:11:22 mmiller : http://maespinternetcafe.wikispaces.com/
21:11:26 arthus : tests aren
21:11:38 arthus : tests aren't the answer unless the content supports it
21:11:39 dougsymington : thanks all, must run, look forward to archive
21:11:46 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : try again Kristin
21:12:01 Cathyjo : does Peggy have a link?
21:12:06 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : remember all that this will be a podcast by Thurs. and the chat included
21:12:34 mmiller : @cathyjo OK I am hooked on twitter
21:12:39 Cathyjo : my husband's distr ict is looking for a speaker who will attest to how to close ach gap-she sounds like she wld fit the bill
21:12:55 khokanson : @sendkathy chrisharbeck's blog has his student work on it http://makeitinteresting.blogspot.com
21:12:56 Cathyjo : @mmiller didnt i tell u?
21:13:04 Cathyjo : @mmiler right up your alley
21:13:18 khokanson : @cheryloaks yep that worked
21:13:21 Cathyjo : new kitten laying on my neck
21:13:31 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : sweet kristin
21:13:36 Vicki Davis : That is what Cheryl does -- collaborative content coach.
21:13:45 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : yahoo!
21:14:00 khokanson : that is the KEY
21:14:03 CheriT : Milken Family professional development model
21:14:21 Cathyjo : authentic conversations b/w educators and stakeholders
21:15:05 khokanson : changing teaching practices
21:15:13 Cathyjo : pedagogy = content and tools mixed with learners
21:15:31 khokanson : not about teaching teachers how to make an imovie but how kids can better "present' information
21:15:59 judi epcke : @khokanson You said it!
21:16:20 khokanson : DI for both kids AND teachers :)
21:16:25 cfoote : guest tonite?
21:16:31 Cathyjo : in this owrl of NCLB, only way to raise scores is diff instruction
21:16:33 sharonp : good point, Kristin!
21:16:40 sharonp : our guest is Peggy Petrilli
21:16:42 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Peggy Petrilli
21:17:03 Cathyjo : dyslexia strong 2nite
21:17:10 arthus : gotta remember, you need to differentiate on both ends
21:17:15 Cathyjo : world --see i can spell
21:17:21 sharonp : yes, Arthus agreed
21:17:35 cfoote : true arthus--too often we only differentiate on the remediation end
21:18:29 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : ARthus absolultely, differentiate for all students
21:18:33 LindaNitsche : I fight for the top end every day in my position
21:18:40 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Yeah Linda
21:18:54 khokanson : @arthus and not just by dumping kids on the high end on Compass Odyssey for enrichment
21:19:24 sharonp : I have request to throw out to the elementary teachers in particular - I am looking for models of students who have used voicethread or wikis to show off at a couple of presentations in the next week - does anyone have something to share from their classes?
21:19:28 arthus : yea, they need individual attention too
21:19:33 arthus : (should I say we? :P)
21:19:36 alicebarr : HI LindaNitsche
21:19:47 khokanson : that is a key too...building a strong team with common vision
21:19:57 Barbara : Is grade 6 to old
21:20:26 LindaNitsche : @sharonp http://booksgoglobal.wikispaces.com
21:21:14 LindaNitsche : Hi Alice:)
21:21:22 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : @sharonp, check out my tech learning blog there are 4 examples there.
21:21:26 Vicki Davis : So many teachers feel like pd is a waste.
21:21:44 Cathyjo : pd is usually spray and pray
21:21:59 khokanson : Cathyjo you STOLE MY LINE :)
21:22:00 Cathyjo : i like my self directed pd best
21:22:01 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : oh, cathyjo, spray and pray, very good
21:22:07 sharonp : oh thanks Cheryl!
21:22:14 sharonp : and thanks Linda!
21:22:15 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : sure thing sharon
21:22:16 cfoote : have to go for a bit....bye all.
21:22:35 khokanson : ppd= personal professional development too
21:22:39 LindaNitsche : Had school driven pd yesterday and today- data analysis, Response to Intervention implementation
21:22:43 judi epcke : @sharonp I made a PageFlake of VTs I collected: www.student.pageflakes.com/jepcke
21:22:46 khokanson : why not have teachers set goals for their own PD
21:22:48 LindaNitsche : Not very inspiring
21:22:58 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Judi, very good idea! thanks for sharing
21:23:01 Cathyjo : SC does this Kristin
21:23:02 sendkathy : Yes self directed ppd
21:23:10 Cathyjo : its part of teacher eval
21:23:11 judi epcke : Working on one for wikis too
21:23:17 Cathyjo : one component is setting goals
21:23:21 sendkathy : I'm back, so easy to get caught up listening and thinking of questions
21:23:32 hockeymom-Nedra : here's another pageflake of VT from Techieteacher: http://www.pageflakes.com/techieteacher/20554289
21:23:41 sharonp : Wonderful thaks!!
21:23:45 sharonp : thanks, I mean
21:23:54 arthus : the test isn't any use if you don't teach
21:24:18 sharonp : wow, you guys rock - so many great resources
21:24:32 arthus : stream keeps breaking....
21:24:40 judi epcke : @hockeymom techieteacher and I are collaborating on that PageFlake. Lots of fun1
21:24:44 Vicki Davis : We call it a ticket to leave.
21:24:45 LindaNitsche : YES- formative, natural, authentic assessment
21:24:47 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : oh, no arthus, not again
21:24:51 Cathyjo : test success at some schools can be attributed to 2 college educated successful parents--kis wil succeed DESPITE teaching
21:25:02 judi epcke : sounds fine to me
21:25:10 Vicki Davis : I'm so amazined I had just typed in purposeful assessment in the skype chat behind the scenes.
21:25:18 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : arthus what are you listening in itunes? realplayer?
21:25:23 arthus : itunes
21:25:41 judi epcke : Exit slips are great for kids and teachers to fill out
21:25:46 Cathyjo : my itunes stream is solid
21:25:49 LindaNitsche : I'm listening through itunes- working well
21:25:52 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : hm, i don't show any breaking
21:25:56 arthus : ok
21:25:59 judi epcke : realplayer is good too
21:26:01 arthus : maybe just my connection
21:26:10 Cathyjo : get a wire arthus
21:26:14 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : oky, i was a little nervous about this tonight
21:26:28 arthus : lol, I fear wires
21:26:40 arthus : besides, i'm exercising
21:26:41 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : arthus, step away from the wires :-)
21:26:45 Cathyjo : wireless not always best for streams, tho i rely on it
21:26:52 judi epcke : It just becomes part of class routine
21:27:01 sendkathy : everything sounds good and no more skype issues knock on wood!
21:27:05 Cathyjo : exercising the fingers?
21:27:11 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : absolutely! judi that is just what the collaboration needs to be
21:27:15 arthus : lol
21:27:27 hockeymom-Nedra : @epcke they are a great resouce thanks so much and looking forward to the one on wikis
21:27:31 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : did you hear me type cathyjo?
21:27:33 Cathyjo : whatever works @rthus
21:27:35 LindaNitsche : Changing the question, having a variety of types of questions is important to make exit slips engaging for students
21:27:43 Cathyjo : no @cheryl
21:27:55 arthus : Assessment works if it is constant
21:28:05 Cathyjo : consistent
21:28:11 judi epcke : @hockeymom Wow, the pressure's on me now to get on that wiki-flake. LOL ;)
21:28:19 Vicki Davis : We use a ticket to leave which is like an exit slip -- there is actually research that shows that this works.
21:28:25 Vicki Davis : I also now heavily use reflection.
21:28:36 Cathyjo : fac meetings always use exit slip
21:28:50 Vicki Davis : Exit slips or "Ticket to Leave" is a GREAT teaching strategy.
21:28:51 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : what a concept, exit slip at fac meeting
21:28:52 sendkathy : I need to hear more about the exit slip
21:28:54 Cathyjo : so admin is modeling
21:28:59 sendkathy : how do you use it?
21:28:59 LindaNitsche : How do High school teachers assess consistently with a class load of 150 students?
21:29:15 judi epcke : faculty meetings we use +, -, delta
21:29:19 mmiller : we are doing a book study on assessments for learning I posted to my blog about it today http://weprincipal.blogspot.com/
21:29:24 Cathyjo : what was good, what could be improed, how? can u use this? = Exit slip
21:29:26 judi epcke : pos, neg, ideas
21:29:31 sendkathy : oh yes, +, delta!
21:29:37 sendkathy : we do it too
21:29:43 sendkathy : on many things
21:29:45 lizbdavis : In my previous school we ended all meetings and all pd with a plus delta
21:29:46 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : thanks melinda for sharing your ideas you are so great with your faculty
21:29:50 LindaNitsche : I call it your ticket out
21:29:56 judi epcke : I've used 3, 2,1 with kids
21:29:57 Cathyjo : i see tchrs start there exit slip @ beginning LOL
21:30:04 judi epcke : 3 things I learned
21:30:20 judi epcke : 2 questions I have
21:30:23 sendkathy : but do you use the exit slip in the classroom too or just in PD?
21:30:29 Cathyjo : sometimes our princ does an engagement assessment for a fac meeting too
21:30:32 judi epcke : 1 thing I want to know more about
21:30:35 Vicki Davis : I use the exit slip in my classroom A LOT!
21:30:42 sendkathy : I think it would get tiring on a daily basis
21:30:54 Vicki Davis : Well, I use it about twice a week.
21:30:59 sendkathy : ok
21:31:01 Vicki Davis : But I don't know about Peggy's situation.
21:31:02 mmiller : oh I'm sure my faculty differs in their opinion of me at times:):):)
21:31:06 judi epcke : @sendkathy it depends on what you use
21:31:09 LindaNitsche : Can be a math problem to solve- demonstrates abiity to solve a problem based on the concept of the day- elem level
21:31:11 hockeymom-Nedra : we do ticket out the door and some are doing a ticket in the door for me only having a class for 40 min max for tech class I have not utilized the strategy
21:31:12 Cathyjo : middle school kids would be brutally honest
21:31:19 arthus : I think you need to make sure exit slips are streamlined, fast and efficient
21:31:21 judi epcke : I use them with elementary students
21:31:27 arthus : (aka. Mr. Meyer style)
21:31:28 Vicki Davis : In a tech class you are assessing continually as you watch.
21:31:30 sendkathy : in Kindergarten I am always taking the pulse of the class in a wrap up so I guess this is similar
21:31:48 hockeymom-Nedra : @ viki davis very true!
21:32:02 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : i like when students have to create their own math problem, it demonstrates what they know
21:32:06 mmiller : @cathyjo give me an example of your princ engage assess
21:32:09 LindaNitsche : Sometimes it is verbal- great time to have a conversation- sometimes they go back to the end of the line and think more to add something to their response
21:32:26 judi epcke : @linda godd ideas to switch it up
21:32:30 lizbdavis : Doesn't Vermont use portfolios for their State assessments?
21:32:45 kolmstead : We use reflections on each artifact added to the student's eportfolios
21:32:54 Vicki Davis : I like long term improvement groups with the students.
21:33:00 sendkathy : digital portfolios?
21:33:16 kolmstead : digital portfolios - now required by NH ICT standards
21:33:26 arthus : thank god, yes
21:33:26 Cathyjo : example--chart with smiley faces sad, ho-hum, happy. Tchrs put a sticky by how they feel abt topic at meeting. Names do not have to go on sticky. tchrs wwelcome to add comments. place on chart as leaving. provides immediate feedback to princ
21:33:28 Vicki Davis : Arthus, still having trouble?
21:33:29 sendkathy : do you use a service?
21:33:31 arthus : yea
21:33:32 sharonp : The Qu?©bec Education Program skirts the word "portfolio" by calling it "integrated profile"
21:33:40 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo - what a great idea.
21:33:49 Cathyjo : it works
21:33:53 sharonp : Hi Lucie!
21:33:54 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : like that cathyjo
21:34:00 arthus : Example of "constant" assessment: in CLay's PLN class, students do all plnning and thought process in Skype chats
21:34:02 Vicki Davis : @sharonp - lol -- "don't call it a portfolio!"
21:34:04 Cathyjo : she does variations
21:34:07 LindaNitsche : Idea - what's one thing you will share with your parents about today's concept
21:34:11 Cathyjo : once it was poker chips
21:34:17 arthus : Clay and I can constantly keep up to date with what students are doing AND thinking
21:34:31 sharonp : @vickidavis - I think the term was too English - had to be translatable from French
21:35:44 Cathyjo : ldr MUST have vision
21:36:02 LindaNitsche : it needs to be about collaborative leadership
21:36:39 LindaNitsche : with a strong collaboratively defined vision
21:36:55 lizbdavis : I'm feeling very alone with my passion at my school...
21:36:57 kolmstead : New leaders often come in with their own ideas and make significant changes
21:37:07 lizbdavis : Especially after Educon.
21:37:17 LindaNitsche : @lizdavis- same here
21:37:18 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Oh, Lizbdavis, we are here for you!!! don't be alone, you are not an island
21:37:19 Cathyjo : Chris Lehmann ROCKS first round draft pick
21:37:24 techsavvygirl : that is one of the things I took away from Educon
21:37:25 Vicki Davis : @kolmstead - Yes, they do. It is difficult when people change things.
21:37:28 LindaNitsche : That's why we are here
21:37:48 techsavvygirl : that many of us feel like we are working "alone"
21:37:49 Vicki Davis : I don't know but I don't think SLA would be SLA without Chris Lehman. I just don't.
21:38:01 Vicki Davis : Leadership is so important!!!
21:38:02 lizbdavis : Maybe we need to get together and start our own school.
21:38:04 Cathyjo : my motto if its good for kids do it first, then explain later aand solict support
21:38:06 alicebarr : I wish Chris Lehamann taught leadership courses for admins
21:38:09 khokanson : grr flock crash
21:38:20 Cathyjo : he does right through his blog practical theory
21:38:22 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : NH has money for charter schools, 7.000 per student who attends the charter.
21:38:27 khokanson : I think it is not just having a strong leader...but building a strong TEAM
21:38:30 Vicki Davis : @alice - Chris is a natural leader and he does great things. he IS a leader. The importance of leadership cannot be understated.
21:38:37 Vicki Davis : Yes, strong leaders build strong teams.
21:38:41 khokanson : A great leader who has the wrong folks....cant be effective
21:39:15 khokanson : @vicki Chris also had the luxury of building his team
21:39:16 mmiller : Good to Great - you have to get the right people on the bus:):):)
21:39:17 LindaNitsche : @khokanson Agreed- selecting and having a strong team makes it continue and begina to have its own life
21:39:34 techsavvygirl : Chris's criteria for highering teachers will hopefully keep SLA running w/o him
21:39:47 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Hi Colleen!
21:39:49 khokanson : @mmiller and get rid of the folks slowing the bus down
21:39:56 techsavvygirl : and PASSION is one of the top criteria
21:39:56 sharonp : I hope so to for Chris
21:40:08 LindaNitsche : It doesn't preclude that outside forces could change the school if Chris wasn't there
21:40:16 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Passion is so powerful, and it is what can get us through the hard times.
21:40:20 Cathyjo : amen vicki
21:40:52 lizbdavis : @Cheryl It can be hard to be alone with your passion.
21:41:05 Cathyjo : SC says every student deseves a minimally adequate education == why our student funding is the way it is
21:41:06 Vicki Davis : @linda - that is true too -- a principal though, can often hold the outside forces at bay.
21:41:13 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : that is why we twitter so we have a network to fall upon
21:41:23 sharonp : Chris also was able to build the school ground up - most admins inherit a staff
21:41:30 kolmstead : NH is very similar
21:41:33 judi epcke : @lizbdavis I agree which is why I've changed districts twice in the last 4 years. finally landed in the right place!
21:41:34 Cathyjo : TRUE @sharon
21:41:46 Vicki Davis : Students deserve a good education. We have a second world any place we have students who cannot read and add.
21:42:00 lizbdavis : The network is what sustains me, but I also need it f2f.
21:42:01 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Judi, but don't you think the challenges prepare you for your next placemetn?
21:42:03 khokanson : yes, yes
21:42:04 sharonp : exciting opportunity for Chris - and I do like the idea of his training leaders
21:42:05 mmiller : our district saw a teaching coach cheaper than some huge PD initiatives
21:42:13 Cathyjo : confession-we have had four tchrs QUIT this yr--they can't live up to our admin expectations--nd she is GOOD
21:42:16 sharonp : in all Chris's spare time! :-)
21:42:28 mmiller : train the coach in the initiative then that person coaches/trains the teachers
21:42:29 judi epcke : @cheryl YES! it also helps you discern when you are in the right place
21:42:34 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo - Were they good teachers?
21:42:37 lizbdavis : @Judi I just moved to a new school this year. I worry that it is me. And I worry that I can't find the school I want.
21:42:38 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : coaches provide weekly and daily contact rather than the 1 day seat in PD
21:42:39 sharonp : @mmiller - that sounds sensible
21:42:40 Cathyjo : NOOOOO
21:42:52 Cathyjo : they desperately needed to go
21:43:07 mmiller : on the downside ONE teaching coach for 5 schools is about to run her dead
21:43:12 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo - And that is a tough part for new leaders.
21:43:20 judi epcke : @lizbdavis Is it the administration? the teachers? the philosphy of the district?
21:43:22 Cathyjo : i can say w/out a doubt one position was filled with a dynamo
21:43:24 Vicki Davis : @mmiller -- ONE teaching coach for 5 schools isn't enough.
21:43:31 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : mmiller, we have 2 coaches at a school of 500 students one math one literacy for elementary
21:43:42 sharonp : @mmiller - I agree she is stretched too much
21:43:43 mmiller : you're telling me
21:43:44 lizbdavis : @Judi Yes
21:43:58 Vicki Davis : It is not good to have good people in positions that are unrealistic.
21:44:03 sharonp : btw, folks, we do have Chris Lehmann with us in a couple of weeks....
21:44:08 lizbdavis : But I have to give it a chance. February is a tough time of year.
21:44:12 mmiller : at least we started and we added one for MS and next year one for HS then hopefully keep adding coaches
21:44:20 sharonp : Hang in there, Liz....
21:44:23 Vicki Davis : I have a little bit of an unrealistic position myself. It is tough.
21:44:28 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : that will help to get a k-12 continuum for coaching
21:44:29 judi epcke : @liz clearly it is not you, you've figured that out at educon, on twitter, etc
21:44:31 Cathyjo : @sharonp which is why ive turned down 2 tech integration jobs in te last yr
21:44:32 sharonp : it is always difficult to judge the first year
21:44:33 Vicki Davis : @lizbdavis - I echo that Feb is a tough month.
21:44:42 khokanson : and with unions...It probably never will :(
21:44:48 alicebarr : @lizbdavis Interesting about February. I am finding staff and myself down.
21:45:02 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : @ liz, I am begining to plan my summer courses, that gets me through.
21:45:11 Vicki Davis : Remember Funday Mondays -- find your video for next week -- every Monday is Funday Monday!
21:45:17 Cathyjo : @liz think BLC
21:45:30 Vicki Davis : I posted this past monday about it. We have to work to keep "up" this time of year.
21:45:31 judi epcke : BLC?
21:45:35 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : explain funday mondays, I saw a blog post about it
21:45:35 lizbdavis : BLC is sustaining me.
21:45:40 arthus : Question: What does she think of student leadership?
21:45:50 lizbdavis : Building Learning Communities Conference
21:45:53 Cathyjo : Alan November's Conference this summer Building Learning Communities
21:45:58 Vicki Davis : Funday monday is sharing funny things on your blog on Monday.
21:46:02 Vicki Davis : @arthus I will ask this question.
21:46:07 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : oh, I can do that !
21:46:09 judi epcke : right. read about BLC on twitter from all of you. :)
21:46:14 sharonp : @lizbdavis - meaning you are still inspired from last year, or looking fwd to this year
21:46:15 Vicki Davis : Arthus -- why don't you call yourself @rthus
21:46:20 Vicki Davis : That is really cool.
21:46:31 lizbdavis : Looking forward to this year. I couldn't go last year
21:46:38 Cathyjo : i did it first@rthus
21:46:44 judi epcke : @vicki Love that @rthus
21:46:47 arthus : lol @rthus
21:46:54 khokanson : YES need models of best practices
21:47:00 judi epcke : wish I had an 'a' in my name
21:47:02 Vicki Davis : It is a great name -- @rthus
21:47:09 Vicki Davis : Maybe I should be coolc@tteacher
21:47:16 Cathyjo : c@thyjo
21:47:17 Vicki Davis : lol
21:47:19 lizbdavis : Lizbd@vis
21:47:20 judi epcke : coolc@tte@cher
21:47:23 alicebarr : And me @lice
21:47:25 Vicki Davis : lol juid
21:47:25 Cathyjo : hmm may change my twitter name too
21:47:29 Vicki Davis : Hi @lice
21:47:40 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : this is fun tuesday!
21:47:41 Vicki Davis : @liceb@arr
21:47:41 alicebarr : Love it!
21:47:44 arthus : Hi @alice, @rthus here
21:47:46 sharonp : sh@ron
21:47:48 judi epcke : can I buy a vowel? and 'a'?
21:47:50 arthus : @lice*
21:47:59 judi epcke : :(
21:48:03 Vicki Davis : I'm h@ving to mute my mike.
21:48:08 alicebarr : Hi @rthus @liceh here
21:48:13 Cathyjo : why laughng?
21:48:21 Vicki Davis : @C@thyjo - yes.
21:48:26 alicebarr : I'm hysteric@l!
21:48:30 Cathyjo : LOL
21:48:38 Vicki Davis : We need something for judi epcke -- Judi is @wesome
21:48:40 Cathyjo : u st@rted it
21:48:47 Vicki Davis : I'm n@ughty
21:48:51 lizbdavis : LOL:D
21:48:53 judi epcke : Th@nks Vicki
21:48:57 arthus : Question: What about identifying gifted students early?
21:49:10 lizbdavis : @rthus is keeping us on task
21:49:16 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : @rthus this is for you
21:49:17 Cathyjo : gifted can be in many areas especially arts
21:49:29 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Durff, hard to get a cab tonight?
21:49:29 Vicki Davis : @rthus rocks.
21:49:36 Cathyjo : freshamn
21:49:46 Cathyjo : freshm@n
21:49:52 Durff late to the party : yes cheryl
21:49:54 Vicki Davis : @rthus -- You are going to be famous. I alreadysee this about you. I wish you could be in my classroom.
21:50:13 Durff late to the party : arthus is famous now
21:50:20 judi epcke : I think @rthus already is famous
21:50:24 Vicki Davis : @Durff you are famous too.
21:50:25 Cathyjo : @rthus u can be in Vickie class via ustream blogs, wikis, skype u name it
21:50:30 Vicki Davis : Oh I mean REALLY famous.
21:50:32 Durff late to the party : i am not
21:50:36 khokanson : Seriously Durff you ARE late tonight...what's a matta...you miss your cab :P
21:50:59 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo - I wish I could figure out a way to make @rthus part of the horizon project -- @rthus -- why don't we add you to the project -- lets talk privately.
21:51:02 judi epcke : Hi B@rb@r@
21:51:08 Durff late to the party : i was correcting tests and chatting with learners
21:51:23 Cathyjo : gifted and accelrated r different
21:51:24 Durff late to the party : progress reports due on Fri
21:51:26 Vicki Davis : Lis@ we missed you @wfully. @re you OK?
21:51:33 Cathyjo : LOL
21:51:35 arthus : Hear hear
21:51:39 Vicki Davis : Mine were due this past Monday -- I was up till 2 am.
21:51:45 Durff late to the party : i'm fine - just overextended
21:51:48 arthus : that was my primary school program: normal classes + extran homework
21:51:50 lizbdavis : I work in a town where everyone is "gifted"
21:51:51 arthus : extra*
21:52:07 arthus : learned absolutely nothing extra in the "gifted" classroom
21:52:13 lizbdavis : I personally have a problem with the term. All children are gifted in some way.
21:52:14 Cathyjo : @liz r most from 2 parent college educated homes?
21:52:18 barbara : We skipped a student this year ..was scheduled for 7 put in 8
21:52:25 Durff late to the party : i learned how to hatch eggs
21:52:32 Durff late to the party : so very useful
21:52:40 lizbdavis : @Cathy 2 parent super educated, high earning homes.
21:52:49 LindaNitsche : Being identified gifted is not a promise of anything
21:52:56 Cathyjo : they r not gifted just advantaged
21:52:58 arthus : lizbdavis: I agree, I don't like it either; just can't think of a different word
21:53:06 judi epcke : to me it is just about differentiation gifted and low ability and everything in between
21:53:27 Durff late to the party : or just disadvantaged
21:53:31 Cathyjo : dont forget the ARTS
21:53:39 judi epcke : athletically gifted
21:53:50 judi epcke : musically gifted
21:53:53 lizbdavis : I feel like one of the most important qualities in a child is Curiosity.
21:53:54 Cathyjo : what abt Marco Torres' kids? they are truly gifted
21:53:55 sendkathy : Fashionably late Durff!
21:54:00 Durff late to the party : labels are determined by one of the intelligences
21:54:01 arthus : socially gifted!
21:54:03 LindaNitsche : the child that never does their homework may need different instruction
21:54:07 arthus : really important in 21st century
21:54:08 sendkathy : Now we can get the party started
21:54:20 LindaNitsche : I dislike labels so much
21:54:22 sendkathy : Linda, so true
21:54:26 judi epcke : DI
21:54:28 Durff late to the party : i'm coffee-gifted
21:54:31 sharonp : we need to really rethink what we mean by the words "literacy" and "education"
21:54:32 Cathyjo : OUCH @vivki
21:54:37 sendkathy : i like to find out what really turn the child on intellectually
21:54:37 Cathyjo : vicki
21:54:38 khokanson : @linda so tre and sometimes early testing of highly verbal kids...
21:54:47 khokanson : YES VICKI...
21:54:47 Durff late to the party : i agree
21:54:50 sendkathy : if you can tap into their interest you have it made
21:54:51 Vicki Davis : @Linda - The student needs a nice little kick in the fanny as my mom would say.
21:54:58 arthus : I've never been allowed to take the SAT
21:54:59 sendkathy : they will respond enthusiastically
21:55:00 khokanson : push kids to their limit identified or no
21:55:00 lizbdavis : Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both College drop outs.
21:55:05 khokanson : NO
21:55:08 Durff late to the party : literacy in which dimension is what we need to define
21:55:11 sharonp : in Qu?©bec we develop competencies and we measure their growth over time
21:55:16 khokanson : IMRPROVE LEARNING....
21:55:23 alicebarr : BOTH
21:55:28 Cathyjo : @sharon sounds differentiated
21:55:34 khokanson : exactly...
21:55:35 Durff late to the party : arthus - no sats?
21:55:36 barbara : Quote from educational leadership "Even the most valid and reliable assessment cannot be regarded ar high quality if it causes students to give up"
21:55:45 Durff late to the party : you're not missing anyting
21:55:49 lizbdavis : @lice good answer ;)
21:55:51 barbara : Learned or mastered
21:55:51 Vicki Davis : Some of my bright kids get mad at me becase if they don't put forth 100%, I call them on it and put a comment on their progress report -- They say "Mrsl Vicki you messed up my report card" and I say -- "You are not doing your best -- you're not bringing your notebook to class or aren't doing your homework" - etc.
21:55:53 sharonp : @cathyjo - we are BIG into differentiation here in QC
21:56:07 Cathyjo : and MANY r giving up due to lack of 21st century tools being used
21:56:13 sendkathy : In kindergarten we have a lot of flexibility to assess in may forms
21:56:24 sendkathy : in fact we really have to do a variety of assessment
21:56:30 barbara : yes ...also the stlye of our assessments
21:56:35 Durff late to the party : assessment is continual
21:56:39 judi epcke : There's a concept, have teachers' adjust their teaching
21:56:42 sendkathy : we can't just rely on one form to be the determining assessment
21:56:46 judi epcke : Some don't get that
21:56:48 barbara : they are one time opportunities... not reflective of learning over time
21:56:58 alicebarr : @cathyjo Right! Taking a look at instruction and changing practice improves student learning
21:57:04 Durff late to the party : NLCB relies on one form of assessment
21:57:09 lizbdavis : Getting an A doesn't mean you are learning. Kids need to challenge themselves to be constantly learning.
21:57:26 sharonp : yes, assessment should be mostly formative (over long time) rather than summative
21:57:28 Cathyjo : MAP TESTING-BAD WORD
21:57:34 Cathyjo : now ill have nightmares
21:57:36 Durff late to the party : the tests are geared towards one intelligence
21:57:39 lizbdavis : Stepping on the scale doesn't make you lose weight. There has to be something in between stepping on and stepping back on.
21:57:40 barbara : The article is Assessment Through Student's Eyes it is a must read
21:57:44 alicebarr : @lizbdavis Right. Many A's are based on regurgiated info
21:57:46 Cathyjo : lexiles
21:57:55 Cathyjo : RIT
21:57:56 Vicki Davis : @lizb -- the question is "What is the student's best" -- if a studnet is a 98 percentand makes 90's I have a problem w/ that.
21:58:08 sendkathy : Despite my philosohpy of 'everyone can do it', I still struggle when students have special needs and I can't figure out how to reach them
21:58:09 Vicki Davis : I'm more proud of the 75 ability student with the 90 grde.
21:58:09 Durff late to the party : barbar - url?
21:58:13 judi epcke : Ever administered MAP tests to a beginning of the year 2nd grader? painful to watch
21:58:21 lizbdavis : @Vicki - Yes - if the student is learning then the nubmer doesn't really matter.
21:58:30 barbara : yes learning over time...is critical.. not just one time memorization
21:58:34 arthus : @rthus for President, 2030
21:58:37 arthus : who's with me? :P
21:58:43 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : Yes, judi very painful to see a student struggle
21:58:44 judi epcke : ME
21:58:44 Cathyjo : LOL
21:58:54 Durff late to the party : arthus - i want dinner at the White House then
21:59:20 arthus : it'll be tough picking my Secretary of Education :)
21:59:29 Durff late to the party : hmmmm
21:59:36 judi epcke : Chris Lehman?
21:59:41 Durff late to the party : no
21:59:48 Durff late to the party : too old by then
22:00:04 khokanson : will be at PETE & C next Tuesda
22:00:04 Cathyjo : ouch
22:00:06 Durff late to the party : miguel!
22:00:08 judi epcke : Chris Lehman's offspring?
22:00:13 mguhlin : Howdy!
22:00:15 arthus : lol
22:00:21 Cathyjo : change it up
22:00:26 Durff late to the party : that is better - jakob
22:00:34 CheriT : 150 holy moley
22:00:35 Cathyjo : cool
22:00:41 Cathyjo : can we come vivki?
22:00:49 Cathyjo : vicki?
22:00:53 Vicki Davis : @Cheri - actually there is capacity for 150 -- there is room for another 10 I think.
22:00:58 Cathyjo : that c and v are too close together
22:01:02 judi epcke : Can't wait to see you at IL-TCE at the end of the month Vicki
22:01:03 sroseman : Will it be ustreamed, Vicki
22:01:05 CheriT : very cool
22:01:08 Vicki Davis : @cathyjo - I mayustream a little but not a lot.
22:01:10 CheriT : pack the house vicki
22:01:12 Vicki Davis : I've got to skype out.
22:01:15 sendkathy : Woohooo chatroom!
22:01:27 Vicki Davis : Great chat tonight -- Hi miguel.
22:01:35 LindaNitsche : Huge thankyou to everyone!
22:01:38 sharonp : Thanks Miguel for that special preso mention of WOW2!!
22:01:39 Cathyjo : get a student to steer a backchannel==show it on a diff projector screen
22:01:43 mguhlin : WOW2 ladies, be aware i mentioned you today!
22:01:45 alicebarr : Great chat @ll!
22:01:46 lizbdavis : Thanks everyone great show and great chat.
22:01:58 sharonp : I saw the photo Miguel
22:01:59 mguhlin : that's it. i just wanted to share that. take care and keep up the awesome work!
22:02:03 alicebarr : @miguel On your blog?
22:02:05 judi epcke : see you on twtter liz, et al
22:02:13 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : yes miguel we saw that
22:02:14 mguhlin : it's on http://snipurl.com/ota2008
22:02:14 CheriT : excellent Peggy
22:02:15 hockeymom-Nedra : Great job, thanks
22:02:21 Durff late to the party : clap,clap
22:02:23 alicebarr : Hang in Lizbdavis!
22:02:25 mguhlin : thanks to wes fryer for snapping the photo
22:02:27 LindaNitsche : Great to "see" all of you on chat!
22:02:28 lizbdavis : Thanks Alice
22:02:30 arthus : bye, thank you
22:02:30 judi epcke : @rthus what's your ustream URL for tonight?
22:02:33 mguhlin : type at ya later!!
22:02:34 lizbdavis : I'm trying
22:02:50 mguhlin : 700 folks
22:02:54 mguhlin : saw you
22:03:04 mguhlin : naughty? I'm feeling uncomfortable
22:03:08 mguhlin : you're transparent
22:03:11 mguhlin : learners
22:03:15 Durff late to the party : you are
22:03:25 sharonp : transparent learners .... I like that!
22:03:37 Durff late to the party : are we calling your bluff?
22:03:38 lizbdavis : Good night everyone.
22:04:07 arthus : http://snipr.com/1wxy1
22:04:25 arthus : talking about super tuesday results in a couple of minutes
22:04:27 Vicki Davis : http://www.flickr.com/photos/wfryer/2243834977/
22:04:34 arthus : I'd love to have some of ya'all Skype in
22:05:45 Durff late to the party : that is miguel
22:05:46 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : @rthus leave information for us.
22:05:53 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : thanks Durff
22:06:00 Durff late to the party : $5
22:06:14 arthus : http://snipr.com/1wxy1
22:06:23 arthus : there's the ustream
22:06:26 Vicki Davis : @durff - OK, I haven't met him in person. I thought he woears glasses.
22:06:28 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : night, thanks artus
22:06:33 alicebarr : NOte title of Flicker pic WE have to be Willing to make mistakes
22:06:36 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : maybe he had contacts on vicki
22:06:43 CheriT : bye all
22:06:47 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : we are willing and able to make mistakes
22:06:48 sroseman : GRREAT show
22:06:50 Durff late to the party : that person is wearing glasses
22:06:59 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : thanks @lice, that makes me feel like a pioneer
22:07:14 Durff late to the party : oh back to the grind so i can be free for PETE-C
22:07:17 Durff late to the party : nite
22:07:25 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : later, all, go listen to arthus
22:07:30 alicebarr : You Are a Pioneer!!!
22:07:39 cheryloakes wow2 show61 : thanks, later,
22:07:43 alicebarr : C YA
22:16:35 MGuhlin : Any WOW2 ladies here?
22:16:55 MGuhlin : ah well. take care folks!