Now, what about Jackson's affirmative action program. What was your assessment of it back then?
I didn't accept it at all, because, it was unfair to the White people, to White contractors. But, they ran this through the city counsel, and, ah, actually went beyond the government bounds and made a lot of, ah, unqualified Black contractors very wealthy. So, it was, it was not a fair program at all. And, ah, they didn't have time, they were unfamiliar with affirmative action. And, they saw it was a way to, somebody in his campaign did, or his office, to let a lot of their Black supporters in on a good thing, which they did. And, it was very abusive to White contractors who saw jobs going at higher prices than they were bidding because they were Black.