Re: [Pali] Re: AN2.2 Adhikara.na Vagga (14/14)
- Dear Bryan,
thank you for your help. To me your translation makes sense, it is
Op 7-jun-2010, om 15:35 heeft Bryan Levman het volgende geschreven:
> To me the commentary is explicating the phrase from the suttta[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> �with correctly
> arranged letters and words (Sunikkhitta~nca padabya~njana.m) the
> meaning is easily understood (attho ca
> The commentator does
> so by defining �badly arranged (dunnikkhitta~n) letters and words
> (padabya~njanan) which
> surely (eva) leads to words in a sentence
> (paa.li-padam) being taken (gahita) out of order (uppa.tipaa.tiyaa
> � oblique
> case, see CPD s. v.) for a letter is called
> a letter (or sign or mark; bya~njanati vuccati) because (hi) its
> (attaa) is the distinctive mark (bya~njana) of the meaning (atthassa).
- Dear Nina, Jim and Bryan,
thanks for your informed discussion. It is very interesting to note how the commentary uses bya~njana twice with different meanings, something I also noted to happen frequently in Sadd., a test of the intellect.
Also thanks to Bryan for highlighting "padabya~njana" as "letters and words", or we may still be lost in translation.
I will simply put everything together:
"(and) incorrectly arranged letter(s) and/or word(s)"
such a word of the text taken out of sequence/order
hi atthassa bya~njanattaa
for the significance and essence of the meaning
* Paraphrasing ...
"dunnikkhitta.m padabya~njana.m" is such a word of the text taken out of sequence, for the significance and essence of the meaning is called "bya~njana.m".
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Nina van Gorkom wrote:
I still have trouble with the translation, but I wait for Yong Peng.
> I don't think "letter" is the right translation for "bya~njana.m"
> here which is explained by "atthassa bya~njanattaa" (from the fact
> of explaining the meaning). Cf. "saattha.m sabya~njana.m". The
> comment: "padameva. . . bya~njananti" tells me that
> "padabya~njana.m" is a specific type of kammadhaaraya compound that
> resolves with the particle "eva" after the first member (both
> members are in the same case). I also think "uppa.tipaa.tiyaa
> gahita-" (incorrectly or erroneously taken) is an interpretation of
> "dunnikkhitta.m" (badly laid or put down).