"He never does anything to these dogs that naturally an alpha dog in a natural pack wouldn't do." - This assumes that an alpha dog, or the 'natural conduct' between animals, is beneficial for the animal. A lion kills its step children so the mother will enter heat and it can impregnate her. But I would not say that just because the step children are treated like this it is 'right' for us to treat them the same way..
We are talking about dog packs not Lions. Lions are not living a domesticated life with humans.
Therefore their natural conduct is irrelevent.
You missed the point of this argument. It was not to argue about the similarities between dogs and lions. Your argument was that humans could replicate the natural conduct between animals with no infringement of moral ground. Yet I showed this is not the case with some species. If you want to argue that the natural conduct between dogs is beneficial for those that are not the alpha dog, then you need to attempt to establish that.
If dogs are living a domesticated life with humans, then why is their natural conduct relevant?
In short, as vegans we see that animals should be given the same consideration as humans. If you had the job of rehabilitating a disobedient child, let's say he was severely down syndrome (this rules out being able to reason with him), would you use these same techniques on this child? Take some of your words and apply them to humans, i.e. "I would never endorse it if I thought was cruel or abusive. He is not booting into the 'kids' with aggression." "He had rehabilitated hundreds of fearful aggressive 'kids' to be balanced submissive 'kids'. Nothing has worked better with my 'kids' than Cesars techniques and my 'kids' are not afraid of me either, they are merely balanced 'kids' who know who their leader is.
Is your 'kid' a balanced 'kid' with no issues?"
To treat a dog, a totally different species with totally different needs to a human like a human is not what the dog needs. I don't at all agree in treating a dog in the same manner as a child.
For example separation anxiety, if a child is missing Mum or Dad, having a rational brain, it is possible to comfort the child and have them overcome their homesickness etc.
If you comfort a dog experiencing separation anxiety you nuture the anxious behaviour and it will continue. So, sorry I don't agree dogs should not be treated as humans.
I never once said that dogs should be treated the same as humans. I said they should be given equal consideration (of interests). Your example just reinforces this point, giving the dog and human equal consideration of interests. This applies to the current situation as follows:
We do not treat disobedient kids like Cesar Milan treats dogs, because while it may satisfy our immediate interests (turning them into obedient kids), it is against the interest of the child, and we recognise this. I'm arguing that treating a dog like Cesar Milan does is against the dogs interests.
Also interesting is you have not commented on the articles I provided.