His Beatitude Metropolitan Jonah of the Orthodox Church in American is not in the jurisdiction of Moscow. I know that those in the Phanar, who haven't noticed that the Ottoman Empire has fallen and so the EP is no longer the Sultan's consecrated Milet Bashi,.........etcI really don't see your point ialmisry. Why are you telling me all the drivel in this post (other than to join Irish Hermit in disdain for the Oecumenical Patriarchate)?
The Phanar episcopal cartel has been broken. He doesn't have the might of the Sultan to enforce his choice in diptychs in places where he once had jurisdiction, let alone places where Constantinople never had jurisdiction.
I have to ask before you responded:
1) Why did you not question your Irish Hermit's
MY Irish Hermit? As the father raising two sons I am not free to act as Abbot and having any hermits, Irish or otherwise.
claim that ROCOR is now "canonical" due to its union with the Moscow Patrirchate?
He spoke the Truth. Why would I question it?
2) If Irish Hemit's point is that Constantinople now considers ROCOR "canonical" because of its union with Moscow, where does that leave the canonicity of the OCA if Constantinople does not commemorate their First Heirarch?
In place: the Metropolia was not considered canonical until the Tomos of 1970 and the GOANSA, for instance, was not in communion with the Metropolia, now the OCA, until the Tomos. The Metropolia had a few years earlier approached to come under the EP's omophorion (like the Ukrainians later did) but was rebuffed and told that they would have to settle things with their Mother Church. Ironic, no?
3) Did you read the plural pronoun in the last sentance of what you quoted from me?
Ὁ πρὸς τὴν πνευματικὴν ταύτην ἐποπτείαν καὶ ἐπίσκεψιν τῶν εἰρημένων ἐκκλησιῶν διοριζόμενος ὑπὸ τῆς Ἱερᾶς Συνόδου τῆς Ἐκκλησίας τῆς Ἑλλάδος Ἀχιερεύς, ὅστις δύναται εἶναι καὶ λαμβάνεσθαι καὶ ἐκ τῶν ἀρχιερέων τοῦ καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς Ἁγιωτάτου Πατριαρχικοῦ Οἰκουμενικοῦ Θρόνου, ἀπολυόμενος ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ
ὀφείλει παραγίγνεσθαι ἑκάστοτε εἰς Κωνσταντινούπολιν καὶ λαμβάνειν τὴν ἑπευλογίαν τοῦ Οἰκουμενικοῦ Πατριάρχου πρὸς δὲ καὶ τὸ διὰ τὰς ἐκκλησίας ταύτας Ἅγιον Μῦρον.
4) Did you read my first point to Irish Hermit about the canonical problem of all the Churches in the US?
Constantinople is in communion with ROCOR... Thats nice. But what has that got to do with ROCOR's or OCA's canonical status?
5) What difference does it make who the Bishop is of the Moscow Patriarchate in America? The pont is its neither Metropolitan Jonah (OCA) nor Archbishop Hilarion (ROCOR), so we still have the problem of three Bishops of the same cities,
LOL. That's been a long standing problem: how many canons had to be adopted by the Fathers to stop bishops from lagging about Constantinople, hanging on the "Resident Synod."
LOL. How many bishops are sitting around navel gazing in the Phanar today? When was the last time that, say, Met. Zizoulis was in Pergamon? No pastoral duties, instead sitting about St. George's, dreaming up things like the Primus/protos or whatever they call that nonsense.
LOL. Actually no, the three aren't in New York, and given that 1 of the three you mention is in a metochian, and another has stravropegal status, even if they were, hardly a problem of the local bishop. Met. Jonah is in Washington, and their is no bishop at present in New York. The Headquarters is in Syosett, the Cathedral in Brooklyn. ROCOR's headquaters is in New York City, as is the metochion of the Patriarch of Moscow, from which the bishop of Kahira (not in New York) managed the patriarchal parishes.
Met. Hilarion isn't the head of an autocephalous Church, so he wouldn't be commemorated by the EP in any case: does the EP commemorate his Congolese Cypriot "Estonian?"
yet only one Patriarch (of Moscow) is commemorated the the dyptich of Constantinople
Which would made sense as their is only one Patriarch of Moscow.
My guess is that you didn't,
because you were to eager to please Irish Hermit and bash the Oecumenical Patriarchate.
As I said to you earlier on the thread, perhaps you just have a better Patriarch than I do, so lets drop it huh?
And yet you picked it up here.
And to quote your own very wise words to ytterbiaumanalist and PetertheAleut earlier in this thread, perhaps you and Irish Hermit should consider the option of:
Can you two get a room....
A chapel? I'd love to have the honor of saying a Paraklesis/Molieben or Akathist with Fr. Ambrose, and a many years to Met. Hilarion and Patriarch Kyril.