Scott Lawson wrote:Carl, you help make my point. Ο ανηρ ο σοφος is attributive and therefore is not a complete sentence. So again, it seems to me that the defining difference between predicate adjectives and attributive adjectives is that predicate adjectives and their nouns form a complete sentence and attributive adjectives and their nouns do not. Or do I misunderstand your point?
Scott Lawson wrote:The prescriptive rules and meta-language have in the past caused my eyes to glaze over and so I gave little thought to the matter until just recently. As I have pointed out a few posts back my observation may seem obvious. The complicated fashion in which this matter his handled by the grammars seems to cause confusion. At least it has for me. These grammars assume I'm better educated than I am.
cwconrad wrote:An attributive simply characterizes a noun without making an assertion.
cwconrad wrote:The very word predicate used adjectivally with adjective signifies "belonging to the predicate" or "asserting something about" the noun that it qualifies.
Stephen Hughes wrote:In the three examples that you have composed, all of your attibutives are adjectives. As far as I understand the distincition, an adjective expresses something about the noun that is true not only in the context that we see it now, but in other contexts as well. That is different from using a participle as an attributive - which would only be true for the situation that is being expressed. An adjective is found in the dictionary by itself so it seems to exist by itself, but actually, when used attributively it relies on the noun, and doesn't really have any sense on its own.
Stephen Hughes wrote:cwconrad wrote:An attributive simply characterizes a noun without making an assertion.
I think this rule holds for Scott's adjective examples, but would break down when the attributive is a participle. Does that seem right?
Stephen Hughes wrote:cwconrad wrote:The very word predicate used adjectivally with adjective signifies "belonging to the predicate" or "asserting something about" the noun that it qualifies.
I think that this can be true for all cases except the vocative. Is that right?
Scott Lawson wrote:Stephen, I'd say that a participial adjective has two functions, attributive (if it functions as an adjective) and substantival (if it functions as a noun). Ο άνθρωπος ο λεγων τω οχλω εστιν ο διδάσκαλος μου. Here the participial adjective fits in the pattern of the 2nd attributive position. The substantival participle can be used just as any noun and may or may be used predicativally. So my observation seems to hold true for adjectival participles since they are only found in the attributive position.
David Lim wrote:I'd like to ask about this,
David Lim wrote:or accusative if we include things like "το ειναι καλον"
David Lim wrote:Scott, where did you get your "example" above from? It seems incorrect. I expected a speech to come after "λεγων" but found none, so should you have used "λαλων"?
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