JPH wrote:Kellroy you are assisting me in my point. The Irish, along with the other unwashed masses, were feared and rejected by the ruling classes. Those in the dominant class were afraid that the nation would change if they let all those drunken Irish, thieving Italians, stupid Poles and stubborn Germans settle in. Well they were wrong in their assessment of the immigrants' character but they were correct in their assumption that the nation would change. It just so happens that many of the changes were for the better.
My position is that today's immigrants will most certainly change the nation, but that is a natural part of how this nation evolves. I really don't care if immigrants read their own newspapers, play in their own sports leagues or even speak their own language. How does any of that hurt me? If assimilation was really that important to many of our European immigrant ancestors, we would not have any Catholic or Lutheran churches, Italian restaurants or parties on Saint Patrick's Day. No thank you!
I really don't care if people assimilate to my way of life.
I will assist to a small part, because both sides have merit. We have gained as a country by the melding of coultures, herritages, skills, and peoples. But "seperate but equal" was tried with blacks, an that didn't work so well. When there are several groups within the whole, each striving to remain seperate, There is caos, as everyone is working at cross purposes. That is the basis of "devide and conquer" Conflicts devide us into tribes or bands who damage each other. IE: "the gangs of New York" (of which the irish played a large role) Your ancestors were forced to join in and assimilate because it was not possible to remain apart and survive. They learned to speak the language well enough, many changed thier names, they moved to where the work was, and learned new skills, they could not advance as long as they stayed seperate and clannish. They fought to become the working class, when they wern't fighting amongst themselves. They had no choice, because it was not a real choice to go home to Ireland. Nothing to go back to, and no money to get there. The new flock are not emigrants, there are ileagal allians. There is one very large diffrence. One has the protection of the law, and one is running from the law. Some of them have been deported 10 or more times! And they are back accross the border in a couple of weeks. It's like in Viet nam, where our troops could not cross a line and go after the scource of the problem, so they just kept coming. Ileagal MEANS : actionable, against the law, banned,contrary to law, criminal, exceeding the law, felonious, forbidden, illegitate,illicit,impermissible,inlicitus,invalid, lawless, not according to law, not covered by law, not permitted, not valid, outlawed, outside the law, prohibited, prohibited by law, proscribed, punishable, quod contra leges fit, unauthorized, uncharted, unjustified, vetitus, without authority, wrongful.....nowhere in this list do I see "un documented emigrant". I do call them criminals, because that is exactly what they are. Because of the illegal alians, we have the border patrols, the police, imagration, our school systems, our hospitals, our healthcare system, our insurance, involved, violated, overworked, and unpaid. I spent 5 years in California, and I have seen illegal immagration, distroying the school system, and healthcare. A man with a truck pulls up to a home depot, holds up two fingers and two mexicans jump into the back of the truck. They have been trained for this on the other side of the border. This is documented.They are certainly not paying taxes on illegal labor rates. Hospitals can not refuse service just because you have no legal right to be here, no money, no insurance, no job, or ID. Hospitals have to bend over and take it. And our bills reflect what they are losing. JPH, you believe it is your business how you hunt your property, the property lines define your kingdom, and NO ONE can tell you not to hunt on that line. Yet the line between COUNTRIES matters, not at all? Crossing a boundry in olden times was punishable by death, if the owner took a dislike to you. That line defined his world. We have the right as a country to say HOW and IF we will accept a newcomer. wiether or not he likes it, it is not his decission. He is a criminal in every sense of the word. And words have meaning, and power. Freedom is more than just a word, slavery is more than just a word, Legal is more than just a word, it is the focused, exspressed will of the people.
The only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker is observation. All the same data is present for both. The rest is understanding what you are seeing.