Uh huh well I'm not talking about "always" I'm talking about the Clearwater and the Grand Ronde right now. Lot and lots of natives every year since I moved here 14 years ago. I came from fishing the puget sound and the peninsula rivers and am amazed at the numbers of fish per day the good fisherman can produce consistantly every year. Sure they aren't as fresh as a Hoh fish but to deny their numbers is just laughable. The Hoh has no dams and is too green to fish by anglers most of the spring and yet the numbers of Steelhead when it does come to shape are disgusting low compared to even the 30 years ago. Why the success of those fisheries? Come on guys what's the deal?