Skip to comments.A tale of two fish What happens when society teaches its young people that atheism is ‘science’?
Posted on 09/29/2013 9:02:02 PM PDT by JSDude1
What in the world is going on?
When travelling and presenting at churches, CMI speakers explain why the creation issue is so important for Christians. They often present information about the loss of young people from churches and their belief in moral relativism. Many times, older congregants seem dumbfounded by the loss of morality and Christian ethics in western society. Confronted with statistics such as two thirds (more in many cases) of our churched young people falling away, many seem flabbergasted at the extent and rapidity of our cultures abandonment of Christianity.
Some of the older people know this only too well, as their own children are examples. Some entered University and returned home to their parents as atheists, bitter and hostile to their once-professed faith. Speakers often see parents tearing up as they recount their own stories of experiencing first hand the reality of what was explained in the talk. It is as if some unseen yet unimaginably powerful force has turned the table on the church and its influence.
Many of these parents want to do something, at least for the next generation, and equip themselves of our resources, a vital part of our ministry (see Linking and feeding). Sadly, there are others who refuse to admit their own shortcomings, and claim it was not lack of biblical equipping but sin. Frankly, this is like saying that a plane crashed not because of pilot error or mechanical failure, but because of gravity. While this is technically true, its also a cop-out. Gravity is universal, yet most planes dont crash, so we look for reasons why the particular plane crashed. Sin is likewise universal.
Societies do not move in certain directions uninfluenced by ideas. Thoughts have consequences and the grander the idea the more powerful the result.
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Its called indoctrination. Keep your kid away from it.
The Bible has lots of stories of what happens when people believe they don’t need God.
Those that don’t know history...
Secularism is atheism. It holds that nothing is important to a human being except that which happens to his parents, maybe his grandparents, his children (if he has any) and grandchildren, and/or their collective friends and relatives. The world is what he remembers, or what he is told about it. In many respects, it is smaller than that of a medieval peasant, who was so much closer to the reality of things, who was literally so much better grounded in the world about him, so that he knew eveyr bug and weed, if not its name. So much of what we know is not thr thing, but the word for the thing. And we call this science.”
What happens when society teaches its young people that atheism is science?Communism happens. And then bloodshed.
Here is a variant view of medieval naturalism from Andrew Dickson White's History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom(1895)
Like all else in the Middle Ages, this sacred science was developed purely by theological methods. Neglecting the wonders which the dissection of the commonest animals would have afforded them, these naturalists attempted to throw light into Nature by ingenious use of scriptural texts, by research among the lives of the saints, and by the plentiful application of metaphysics. Hence even such strong men as St. Isidore of Seville treasured up accounts of the unicorn and dragons mentioned in the Scriptures and of the phoenix and basilisk in profane writings. Hence such contributions to knowledge as that the basilisk kills serpents by his breath and men by his glance, that the lion when pursued effaces his tracks with the end of his tail, that the pelican nourishes her young with her own blood, that serpents lay aside their venom before drinking, that the salamander quenches fire, that the hyena can talk with shepherds, that certain birds are born of the fruit of a certain tree when it happens to fall into the water, with other masses of science equally valuable.
This work was been deprecated throughout the 20th century in the general movement to reconcile science with liberal theology. For this reason, I found it to be a real eye opener, as it pretty much lays it on the line, even though the author professes that science has no beef with true Chrisianity, as he sees it.
Anyway, I think you are projecting a very modern idea of living close to nature onto medieval peasantry.
Men are abandoning the American church because the American church panders to women.
No, the medieval peasant had no romantic view of nature. Nor did he have the vocabulary of the intellectual. His experiences were much more immediate than ours, and certainly he did not think of animals—and his fellow men— as organic machines, as we do. I recall the experience of a biology teacher who after teaching about the human heart and using the store bought plastic models, obtained a number of cow hearts from a slaughter house. These were relatively fresh. Then he had a lab and had the student dissect the heart as he first demonstrated how to do it, and then guided their own activities. One of his students was a farm boy , and he was struck by differently he handled the dissection than the town kids did. He had nver done such a dissection before, but it was a simple continuation of his experience with living cows. So he threw himself with gusto into the matter and was soon helping the other kids by encouraging them to use enough force.
If people knew the REAL truth about humanity and where we came from a lot of scientistst and theologians would be leaping out of windows.
The truth is not very pretty and we have been at this point in history before.
Atheists say that mere absence of belief makes one an atheist. Cabbages and monkey-wrenches lack belief in God. I don’t mind calling them atheists. But now do we also have to say that cabbages and monkey-wrenches are scientists?.
1. Mammalian evolution is entirely heterosexual.
2. "Morality" is a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.
3. The "Big Bang" theory is just an immaculate conception.
As Rudyard Kipling put it, a year after the end of The Great War:
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
In a college biology class the text did say “may” have done this or that and also used the word chance. But students will take it as the hard core truth because that is how we read things unless taught to read with a critical eye as should scientists. I loved that class except for the evolution. In my neuroscience class the intro was amazingly pointed toward “intelligent design” but that was just the first couple of pages then dropped like a hot potato.
Most of us ask simply: will that be on the next test! :)
LOL. I am a psych major. Boy is it rough. The science is really interesting but the pagan philosophy behind the interpretation is maddening. Social psych was the worst. So many examples of what is considered evil was about conservatism. I couldn’t sell the book cause of all the destruction from replying on the pages!!! I also have to admit there are pen holes in the pages too.
Funny thing about secularism. Its focus on self-awareness is so extreme that it persuades people that the world is the sum of their experiences. Their experiences, and those of those they know, and by extension, those they communicate with.