Skip to comments.Higgs Boson, Key to the Universe, Wins Nobel Physics Prize
Posted on 10/08/2013 6:58:33 AM PDT by lbryce
Britain's Peter Higgs and Francois Englert of Belgium won the Nobel Prize for physics on Tuesday for predicting the existence of the Higgs boson particle that explains how elementary matter attained the mass to form stars and planets.
The insight has been hailed as one of the most important in the understanding of the cosmos. Without the Higgs mechanism all particles would travel at the speed of light and atoms would not exist.
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Which begs the question:
What is a Higgs Boson made of?.................
What is a Higgs Boson made of?.................
“Stuff”. Really, really, really, small “stuff”...
Do I hear God laughing? Psalm 2:4? “He who sits in the heavens laughs. He holds them in derision.”
And that stuff is made of even smaller stuff and the smaller stuff is made of even smaller stuff....until our reality and how we perceive our existence has absolutely no meaning.
Is this Obama’s second or third Nobel prize?
Great fleas have lesser fleas
Upon their backs to bite ‘em.
And lesser fleas have lesser still,
And so ad infinitum.
Interesting and impressive research. However the most daunting challenge in physics is to prove 0x0 does not equal 0. Until someone can demonstrate that seemingly impossible equation, the most existential question posed by man remains unanswered.
Turtles, in groups of 42.
God laughs at the hubris, arrogance, temerity in which Man indulges in fantasy.
“Without the Higgs mechanism all particles would travel at the speed of light and atoms would not exist.”
This kind of thinking is what passes for science nowadays.
Sorry, scientists. The universe has been functioning quite well without your silly theories. All particles don’t travel at the speed of light, and atoms do exist.
The universe doesn’t depend on your equations. The job of your equations is to describe the universe. If they don’t, they are invalid and you have to keep calculating.
So your understanding of the universe depends on having seen the trace of a particle moving at the expected angle with roughly the expected mass. Very shaky base to build your model of the universe on.
“Sorry, scientists. The universe has been functioning quite well without your silly theories. All particles dont travel at the speed of light, and atoms do exist.”
Which is exactly their point, the Higgs field does exist, so particles do exist and have mass. BTW the Higgs Boson is only proof of the Higgs field that gives particles mass.
You can believe in magic, but I will stick to science.
Everybody knew already that bosos were running the universe.
Now, let someone find anti-bosons and we could maybe get a decent bomb outy of it.
Thank you for a sense injection into what is turning into a really embarrassing thread
Then all the stores started using the word 'Holiday' instead of Christmas and those Christians complained: What happened to 'Christmas'?
Now scientists are talking about the 'God Particle' and some Christians are upset because it seems to be a dig or a blasphemy against God. At some point in the future the general public won't be using the word 'God' at all to describe anything. Those Christians will long for the day when people use to talk about the 'God Particle'.
Lately I've noticed I don't hear people yelling out 'Jesus Christ' as often as they did when they stub their toes or are upset for some other reason. Some Christians will think this is great: Yay! Less blasphemy. But in the long run we'll be hearing fewer 'Jesus Christs' not because people are becoming more respectful of God, but because they have abandoned Him entirely.
To call it the "God Particle" is blasphemous enough.
quantum energy waveforms
What are the quantum energy waveforms made of?...............
“quantum energy waveforms”
As are all particles.
If it has mass, it is energy
Absolutely. I’ve always found it astonishing that so many “Christians” cannot fathom that the complexity of the universe is God’s work. They seem to imply that God is not great enough for any of this to be part of his plan. Instead they label people as infidels, much like their mullah counterparts who claim to know the mind of God and won’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
Science in many ways is the new popular religion and I think that is what a lot of Christians object to. Our faith should be reserved for God. Science is in the business of proof.
(Note: already called "the God particle"... by scientists...
(How about "Ruach Elohim" particle...?) '-)
Higg’s Field = “an invisible field pervading all of space”
Reminiscent of the old theory of Ether pervading the universe. I guess what goes around comes around. Still, I’ll have to say that I just love all of these invisible fields, invisible dark mass fields, and invisible dark energy fields necessary to explain stuff. I don’t mind the invisibility part so much as the “field” part. It’s not enough to be just invisible, but it has to be invisible AND all over the place too!
Still, all just mathematical constructs trying to describe reality, and which get more and more complicated as we go along, each complication added to try to account for the latest discrepancy between observation and the mathematics in the “old” theory.
BTW, I wonder if they really DID find the Higg’s Boson, or if they “found” it because they WANTED to find it so badly. After all, “to find the elusive particle, scientists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) had to pore over data from the wreckage of trillions of sub-atomic proton collisions.” Not to mention billions of dollars were spent and tens of thousands of people worked on the project for a decade. It’d have been quite a letdown to NOT find it, so maybe they just kept looking until one day they believed they could say, “We found it”.
Don't know, but I think it's in here someplace! LOL
I don’t know and have never known a scientist (and I’ve known/met/worked with many) who sees science as a religion. I’ve known a few who don’t believe in God and more who don’t suscribe to any denomination but do believe in God, but never any who worship science.
Science is not just about proofs, it is synthesis of ideas or theories and attempting to provide repeatable evidence as a reasonable, but not infallible proof of a theory. Scientists who fake data and studies to “prove” something like global warming have been around since the beginning of time; just as there are medical and yes, religious charlatins throughout history.
Proofs by themselves do not stand alone except maybe in math and even there proofs may be shown to be wrong in which case the pursuit of a solid proof begins again.
I see all of the amazing workings of the universe in physics, biology, chemistry, medicine, to be at the hand of God. Why is the Higgs-Boson concept not the spark from the finger of God that began the universe, “In the beginning...”? Is God not that great?
but... that’s math not physics...
See physics is the language, numbers are the alphabet, and math constructs the sentences.
Engineering and chemistry is application of the language - books, plays, songs, conversation if you will.
Most of the other sciences are either subsets of engineering and chemistry or provide categorizing and labeling. Sort of a dictionary/encyclopedia (botany for example).
The mailman ain’t your problem, kid.
Stated another way. Prove that a vacuum interfacing with a vacuum results in something other than a vacuum.
that is WAY different from what I thought, which was “Chicago’s mayor”
Many people don't see yoga as a religion either but that doesn't make it less of a religion. Have you ever heard someone say that "climate change" is "settled science"? Have you ever heard someone say that homosexuality is genetic? Have you ever delved into a study only to realize that the media stated a conclusion that was the opposite of what the study showed evidence of?
I know what science is and I know what religion is. When "scientists" begin to insist that their "science" be taken on faith then it is a religion not science. When actual science proves a theory to be incorrect and these "scientists" basically declare any opposing theory to be heresy then it's a religion.
I see all of the amazing workings of the universe in physics, biology, chemistry, medicine, to be at the hand of God.
I think that is a very healthy attitude.
Why is the Higgs-Boson concept not the spark from the finger of God that began the universe, In the beginning...? Is God not that great?
I don't think the Higgs-Boson concept could exist in the singularity that existed at the beginnings of our universe.(in theory). Regardless note that I'm not arguing against Higgs-Boson. It makes a lot more sense than "dark matter".
Can’t I just say that to vacuums sucking on each other create a kink in the hose?
Is the experiment repeatable?
“some Christians are upset because it seems to be a dig or a blasphemy against God”
Then why call it god particle? Do you think it is?
No one thinks it’s a god. Everyone who understands it knows it’s of utmost importance, because it ties everything together - so important that it got nicknamed with the most reverent name with which one can nick. Had we somehow not been able to discover the neutron until now, it would have been extremely-mega-super important to tying everything up, and then it would be the god particle, and would receive the same amount of non-worship.
Well you raised a question about Christians being offended but what they thought was a dig? But then you said that no one actually believes it is related to God anyway.
“At some point in the future the general public won’t be using the word ‘God’ at all to describe anything.”
Gee whiz? Thanks! I am contemplating “Who would Fardels bear” since Hamlet was contemplating suicide. Considering also that looking backward at the history in the past 100 years and forward to an indefinite period that scientist are doing a fair job making it universally possible.
“Is the experiment repeatable?”
Yes, but they’ll have to build another large hadron collider because the first experiment burned up the original collider.
Just kidding. Yes, that’s the real question. Repeatability. I did a quick google search on that and didn’t turn up anything obvious. Lot’s of discussion about whether Higgs was really found though. May be moot anyway, as there were lots of interesting discussions trashing the uselessness of the Standard Model anyway.
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
FRiend, I don't recall that we have interacted before -- but I sense that your view of creation, our Creator and science is considerably akin to mine.
In my #27, you'll note that I use "Ruach Elohim" instead of your "spark" analogy -- and I have a couple of specific reasons for that.
I'll contact you via FReepMail so we can get better acquainted...
Thanks for the heads up, dear brother in Christ!