Originally Posted by ssabripo
SMS-1 handles all the duties of good equalization of the LFE channel....
You keep repeating that without explaining how, other than your opinion that "it works".
one comment I find interesting is that you continue to bring the "decay times" into the equation, and this is just comical to me.......what subwoofer have you dealt with that has such horrendous decay times and group delay charactersistics that an electronic equipment (ie, an EQ system, etc) can make a major impact on?
Long decay times are a problem with the room, when certain frequencies continue to bounce back and forth while most other have stopped. Which is why the better "room" correction systems do more than simply attempt to flatten the subwoofer's frequency response for a single listening location. They address multiple seating locations as well as multiple low frequency problems (which are in all speakers, not just the sub). The idea of dealing with resonating low frequencies would be less comical to you if you understood the difference between room correction vs a subwoofer EQ.
I shared your comment on how great auddyssey helps with decay times with Deon, and just like the others, he basically laughed.
How does his laughing change the fact that Audyssey address low frequency problems that the SMS-1 doesn't?
Just dont try to give me a bogus explanation and use big words to try to intimidate me to make your point because it just not happening!
I'm writing at a 5th grade reading level. No big words nor intimidation. If you feel my explanation of how Audyssey works is bogus, then point out where I'm factually incorrect.
Yes, I am talking about the subwoofer output...isn't this clear?
No, because you keep referring to it as the "LFE channel".
and I have no idea why YOU continue to make the distinction, given that the average user will have his front channels set as small and all LFE output going thru a sub.....
That's why I make the distinction: because the average user has more than just the LFE channel being routed to his subwoofer. LFE is the discrete .1 channel in source material. I don't use that same word to describe a low frequency speaker.
Forgive me sanjay, but this is ludicrous!
"differences in subwoofer capability have nothing to do with the LFE channel per se, since all the other channels can go just as low"????
What is ridiculous about it? You keep making pronouncement without explaining. Will changing subwoofers in your system somehow change the LFE channel content of a movie soundtrack?
If you have not heard the differences of what a Rocket ULW-10 sounds like, and an SVS PB12 ultra/2, or Velodyne DD-18, or Fathom F113, or DIY subs such as an AV15 large EBS alignment, or quad Tumult 15"s with BASSIS, or an Avalanche 18" Large EBS sonotube, then I guess I can see how you can say such things.......
You're confusing what I own with what I've heard. Is all of your experience with subwoofers limited only to what you currently own? Just because I don't own a Whise Profunder doesn't mean I don't have experience with one.
No other "channel" will ever reproduce the frequencies in question here, NONE! If you can find me a pair of Main (L/R) speakers that the average user can use that can reproduce sub 25hz content like the aforementioned subs, please share it with us all because you have found the holy trail.
You're confusing channels with speakers. Every channel is capable of going as low in frequency as the LFE channel.
I dont want you to show me anything
Then why all the venom. You seem personally upset with me because I (and someone named Nick) have had good results with Audyssey and you haven't. And that's somehow my fault?
I invite you to move forward and try to figure if there is a way to either setup Auddyssey to not rolloff so quickly below 25hz, or to disengage it from the LFE channel, etc.
Since I don't own an Audyssey based product, I'm not able to tinker with it much. I helped set-up a friend's system based around a 3806 and DD-12, so I'll try to spend some time measuring the low frequency response with and without room correction.
Sanjay....you seem to love arguing
YOU started this exchange between us, not me. I was posting how room correction systems (Audyssey, Lexicon, Meridian, H/K) reduce peaks and ringing in the low frequencies, thereby lessening bass energy in the room. You took exception to that and started this back-and-forth.
There's nothing to "love" about arguing, and not all discussions are arguments. The alternative is for me to deliberately ignore posts you've written and addressed specifically to me. But that would just be rude.