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Discussion in 'Outpost' started by PaulTheBeav, Jan 7, 2013.
You shut your whore mouth.
The ram jet is a great idea. If we could only find those monopoles as Larry Niven called them
Ok, anyone who says we are advanced is retarded mainly for the fact we a tier 0 civilization and what that means is that our range is the moon we havn't made it to mars yet, we have chemical rockets ion engines, we are so very primitive its not even funny, and the odds that there is a much more advanced race or civilization is very likely seeing how our star is a 3rd gen. star and the life time of a star is 4.5 billion years i think we may be being protected, due to the fact we are looking for earth like planets so would they, we can only assume they may think like us to some extent.
pretty sure cats perceive themselves to be our overlords already
Arent mice tge most advanced species on the planet?
As the second smartest species on this planet said "So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish".
In order to build a space ship, or even a rocket, you need metals and fuels from all over the sphere, which makes building a ship difficult unless you have access to all these materials. You need engineering that depends on rational, planned out science and math. Developing just these two aspects alone does not lend itself well to thoughtless violence. It's definitely in the realm of possibilities, but I'd think alien visitors are more likely to come in peace than in war.
You have to be highly intelligent and have the ability to build, create and use tools... Out of the animals with those abilities, the most succesful will be the most violent.
I have faith in science and technology's ability to come up with solutions to problems like space debris.
I think it all comes down to whether or not we taste like chocolate covered bacon to them.
They might not want to kill us for the sake of violence but it doesnt mean theyll try to communicate with us. They may have evolved in a different way and will just see us in the same way we look at bacteria or insects.
I've watched enough sci fi and star trek to believe that we would find a way to communicate with them if need be.
unless, of course, we taste like chocolate covered bacon.
We are fascinated by insects building stuff.
Your icon is a cat.
No one is talking about "thoughtless" violence.
The very first rockets ever built? Were built as weapons. The first rockets to reach any significant altitudes? Were weapons of war. It is rational, exquisitely planned science and math that got us the nuclear bomb - and what was one of the very fist things we did with it?
Well we put it on a rocket.
No one was arguing that they would lack the potential for violence, dumbass.
There is very little exploring for the sake of exploring.. Most exploration and technology was built by people that lived in places with little natural resources... And those were usually the same people that became conquerer types. The people living in areas with lots of natural resources and good weather were more lazy and isolated, they didnt have a need to search for something better once they found it and settled in.
Exploring for the sake of exploring didn't really start until the second half of the 20th century.
That wasn't 'for the sake of exploring' - it is for MONEY!
Always will be.
"No payoff, no ship Columbus."
So current theory of the universe states that there are in fact an infinite number of universes, of which most of them do not support life (as we know it.) of course given an infinite number of universes, then even if only .0001% support life as we know it, then there are an infinite number of universes with life as we know it.
Now what I am thinking about, is those universes with no life what so ever on them. if we could only tap those other universes, our energy problems would cease to exist (of course if we could tap those other universes well we would have probably already fixed our energy problems haha.)
Yea that's a pretty big Step One.
How To Cook a Steak.
Step 1: Catch (1) Tyrannosaurus Rex.
well of course! now given an infinite number of universes, with varying laws of physics, on at least one of those infinite number of universes someone has invented a way in which to tap the empty of life universes for energy and share that energy with all the other universes right now!
Damnit didn't work.
Impossible, or just impossible for mankind to reach that point before we destroy ourselves?
THE FINAL FRONTIER
The biggest problem with any theory about violent aliens is lack of motive. It would have to make economic and moral sense to them. Both are pretty tough to show.
with respect to the grain of sand issue, one major component is being overlooked.
that is the issue of scale. molecule per molecule the hull has a distinct advantage.
let's assume that it's metal...
what does the precise moment of impact look like?
what happens at the very next moment, let's say one picosecond later?
considering the energy involved, both will disintegrate, liquidate, and finally vaporize.
only the grain of sand would be effectively gone and so would an outer portion of the hull.
a tremendous amount of the 19 bazillion terajoules would be effectively wasted simply because the
mass required to 'rip the ship to shreds' is simply not there. i think a comparable analogy would be
any modern particle accelerator.
also, we now have pretty powerful lasers.
there is no reason to think that an array of suck lasers could not form a 'deflector shield'.
for that matter, since space is a vacuum, any conventional laser should work just as well...
to move rather than obliterate an object.
with respect to the necessity of violence, i see two ways to mitigate the need for violence in an advanced culture.
the first is obviously, overwhelming firepower. i believe that technology can yield a device that can kill something
instantaneously and could be used to nearly eliminate the need for violence. ie google glasses + auto turret
the second, third, etc. could be a mind control or influence type of interaction that would make violence unnecessary.
there are lots of ways to be wholly dominate without the use of violence. we just aren't privy to them.
Needing land. Assuming life based on needing water, there likely only so many suitable planets around. Especially assuming near light speed travel, it takes a long time to get to the next one. So they settle any they come across regardless of existing life on them.
They would make great Outposters!
i think that any such advanced lifeform would be able to create it's own water...
it's only H and O.
also, i like how koneg asserts that a grain of sand would obliterate a space vehicle, but
shrouding something similar in an asteroid is OK. TOTALLY SAFE INSIDE ASTEROID.
Thee is only a certain temperature range where it is liquid as most life (that we know of) requires. Sure, you can make some in an enclosed climate controlled environment like a ship or an outpost on an uninhabitable planet, but if you actually want to live in wide open spaces, you need a planet in the temperature range for liquid water naturally.
With a few kilometers of ferrous rock between your living spaces and the impact?
Uhm... Yes. Safe inside the asteroid.
you're missing the point and, ironically addressing it as well.
how much material do you need to prevent a grain of sand from being an issue?
you say that a shield isn't enough, but an asteroid IS.
in the scope of terajoules, do kilometers matter?
i don't know for sure, but i think the posts i made that you didn't reference address that.
also, now i wonder why you specify that the obstructive rock is ferrous.
that was never a prerequisite.
There's always a possibility that there's an advanced civilization out there that makes our intelligence, in relative terms, appear how dogs and cats are to us. The answer to interstellar travel isn't that it is impossible, it is that it is that it is so complex it goes beyond our current understanding of how the universe works and is
A lot of things were said to be impossible and were proved to be possible, and a lot of things were said to be impossible and after we gained more knowledge it was affirmed that yes, it is impossible
Good gawd stay the fark away from these subjects if you're going to swing the stupid around like this.
As a gentle fucking reminder a relativistic impact is NOT a bullet. Using a picture of a bullet hit on metal is so retarded in this instance it's Not Even Wrong.
Yes, the mass of the ship is "simply not there" anymore because a relativistic impact results in a fusion reaction - and would convert whatever it hit into an expanding wavefront of plasma and lethal radiation. The particles in that plasma front would expand at nearly the speed of light turning more of the ships hull into plasma, which in turn etc etc.
In short, a single gram of matter hitting your hull at a quarter of the speed of light would look a LOT more like a small nuclear bomb than your ridiculous bullet picture.
Hitting anything of significant size, like, the size of a small car? Even in the Asteroid-Spaceship?
Your trip is over .
This is why you need LOTS of shielding, either physical or electromagnetic (Raise Shields Mr Spock!) if you expect to whiz around the galaxy at high fractions of light speed.
lol I spit my drink out when I read that.
I stand by my statement though.
It is not a prerequisite but it is preferred, for enhanced radiation shielding if nothing else. As a bonus, the material you mine out for your living spaces can be processed into materials you need to build Other Stuff.
if interstellar travel is impossible then us monkeys are traped like rats in a burning house
pull up a lawn chair and enjoy the fire works
LOL Bonk tries to come off as some deep thinker but ends up sounding like the guy who walks into the middle of a debate and yells, "HEY GAIZ I LIEK PICKLEZ "
well, i thought that you might be intelligent enough to not take the bullet splatter image literally.
it is a metaphor or abstraction of what would occur. it is an example of how metal behaves.
layered metal has a tendency to be pretty strong or so the samurais tell me.
i fail to see how your grain of sand would be capable of penetrating several inches of steel.
also, there is NO WAY a fusion reaction can occur.
it is IMPOSSIBLE with the elements in this scenario.