DarwidHalim wrote:So in here, you actually accept that mirage don't actualy exist.
Reality is precisely like that.
ok, but thats nihilism, for the reasons i gave ie. just as a mirage of a tree denies an actual tree, a mirage of reality denies an actual reality (dependent arising)
Indeed dependent arising deny the true existence of anything. Because you cannot have any chance in dependent arising that can give you something as true arising, consequently everything is exactly same with mirage, rainbow, reflection.
For someone who accept reality is like an illusion, but not illusion, if you trace them, you will find that they have te notion of self somewhere out there.
Please don't confuse between nihilist and someone who say things are illusions.
It is true thr for nihilist they say things are not there sinyhey can kill and do whatever they want anytime, such as killing, lying etc.
But if you ask them, since you are nihilist, please give me your hand to my hungry dog, please give me your eyes for this particular reason, they will not give it to you.
They are ready to do anything outside, but they are not ready to do anything inside.
They have ignorant.
Nihilist can do anything, but if the fire of hell burn them, they will scream like hell asking for help. In this case, if you tell them oh the fire that is burnin you is also illusion, so what is the problem you are asking for help? You think it will work? It won't work.
Knowing there is no self is different without knowing there is nothing.
If you can realize no self perfectly, you can now take a fire and burn your hand. If you are absolute ok with that, you have removed your innate ignorant of self. If you can give your eyes at anytime to any stranger, you probably have reached the state of realizing no self.
Even if you need to visit hell or go to the hell, if the fire of hell doesn't give you any problem because you realize there is no fire in that fire and no visitor in that visitor, you have realized there is no self.
Buddha can kill anytime, because there is no killing for him. Buddha can also lie anytime because there is no lying for him. There is example for this, that you kill someone because you have no choice since the killer want to kill hundred people. Since you realize noself, karma cannot touch you.
But for nihilist, even they see everything is illusion, they have innate ignorant that they hold self of I. Karma is definitely work for them. For sure as well, they are not ready with fire.
None of Buddha scared with fire.
But none of nihilist does not scared with fire.
Padmashambava let the villager burn him alive. But he scared nothing, and let the villager burn him alive. But he realize no self and the fire and his body is just illusion, he didn't scream asking for help.
If you do that to nihilist, it is a dream if they don't ask for help even you tell them please use your view this fire and this body is illusion. It won't work. They have innate self, even they mouth tell you it is illusions.
It is this innate instinct of self that need to be eliminated. So deep and and so innate that even in your dream, we are acting we have self.