I think that there are a multitude of examples. But what I found particularly through my compu girls work, is that some young women — and I'm talking about young women who were participants in the program 10 years ago and so now they're in the workforce — and they believe some of them that they failed because they did not go into a traditional STEM career. When in reality, if we look at the histories of some of our STEM leaders, they did not come from traditional STEM backgrounds — to cause an incredible shift and transformation in the way we even think about computers, and that goes beyond simply knowing how to code. GOLDSTEIN: Kimberly Scott is a professor at ASU and executive director of the university's Center for Gender Equity in Science and Technology.